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Cory Reynolds
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PostPosted: Thu Feb 21, 2002 1:53 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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On 2002-02-20 18:11, three60roundhouse wrote:
if they get you to the ground in a self defense situation....don't roll onto your stomach.


I'm still trying to figure this one out also.
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PostPosted: Thu Feb 21, 2002 3:19 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

You never back straight up because it is very easy to get tagged that way always back up on a diagonal.

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PostPosted: Thu Feb 21, 2002 3:45 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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On 2002-02-21 14:53, Cory Reynolds wrote:
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On 2002-02-20 18:11, three60roundhouse wrote:
if they get you to the ground in a self defense situation....don't roll onto your stomach.


I'm still trying to figure this one out also.


Well, it's simple. If you roll onto your stomach, you give the person your back - not good. They have the back of your head along with all the places on your body YOU can't see...and you can get someone with a choke VERY easily if they are on their stomach.
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PostPosted: Thu Feb 21, 2002 8:06 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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You never back straight up because it is very easy to get tagged that way always back up on a diagonal.


I believe that the words "never" and "always" are good ways to set yourself up for failure. I believe that everything has it's proper place and time, and if you say "never" then you're eliminating options. And anytime that you use "always" you're allowing yourself to become predictable. I back straight up sometimes, and I back up at a diagonal sometimes, and I circle completely out sometimes. I know that a good fighter is going to look for my patterns and use them against me.
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PostPosted: Thu Feb 21, 2002 8:11 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

360, that's what I've heard, but I'm still waiting for someone to explain to me how you're supposed to get to your feet then?
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PostPosted: Fri Feb 22, 2002 4:50 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

If you back straight up sooner or later you will get tagged. Angles are a better option. "never" may have been a bad choice of words , I meant whenever possible dont go straight back. It is a tried and true theory. Like keep your hands up or never watch your oponents head.

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PostPosted: Fri Feb 22, 2002 7:13 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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On 2002-02-22 05:50, ramcalgary wrote:
If you back straight up sooner or later you will get tagged. Angles are a better option. It is a tried and true theory.


I back straight up all the time, but the difference is that I do it for a reason. I do it with the intentions of setting something up. But this is no different from when I back out in any direction. Every movement that you make should be done with a purpose and a reason. Otherwise you're wasting time and energy. Instead of saying that "angles are a better option," I would say that it is better to mix up angles, line fighting and circling to meet the needs of each situation.

Theory is great but in deffinition isn't concrete. One deffinition of a theory is "Loosely, mere speculation or hypothesis; and individual idea or guess." When you learn to disprove your own theories, you know that you're getting somewhere.
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PostPosted: Fri Feb 22, 2002 7:47 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

If you get to be sitting up, put on leg under the other knee, lift all your weight on to one of your arms, and step BACK quickly. Also, yu can get into four point stance and practice replacements, replacing your left hand with your right foor, and so on. Always have someone in a good guard (pretty far away), or get them down too (learning a few basic takedowns is a good idea) before you stand up. And always step BACK....so you don't stand up to a clean punch in your face. I know I'm not good at explaining it, so asking in the jiu-jitsu forum maybe (I'm a total BJJ newbie) might be a good idea.
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PostPosted: Fri Feb 22, 2002 10:30 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Sorry, this isn't making any sense to me at all.

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On 2002-02-22 08:47, three60roundhouse wrote:
If you get to be sitting up, put on leg under the other knee, lift all your weight on to one of your arms, and step BACK quickly.

How do you do this when someone laying on top of you? Do you just expect to take them with you?

Also, yu can get into four point stance and practice replacements, replacing your left hand with your right foor, and so on.

I don't get it.

Always have someone in a good guard (pretty far away),

Pretty far away? Like someone is just going to stand there and let you get up? If they are pretty far away, how did you end up on the ground? Did you slip and fall while running away? So far none of this sounds very realistic, but I'll keep an open mind and wait for more




[ This Message was edited by: Cory Reynolds on 2002-02-22 11:34 ]
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PostPosted: Fri Feb 22, 2002 10:55 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I was meaning all these things after you've rolled for a little while (before standing up you should know how to last on the floor for a few minutes) and after a while, if you see an opening and are ABLE to get into your guard, which you should (see, I started somewhere in the middle of a lesson or soemthing, so now we're all confused), you can try to stand up.
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