Add KarateForums.com
tallgeese Celebrates 10 Years as a Moderator!
Username:    Password:
Remember Me?    
   I Lost My Password!
Post new topic   Reply to topic    KarateForums.com Forum Index -> Chinese Martial Arts
 See a User Guidelines violation? Press on the post.
Author Message

stonecrusher69
Red Belt
Red Belt

Joined: 23 Apr 2002
Posts: 771
Location: New Jersey
Styles: MCM WING CHUN

PostPosted: Thu Oct 12, 2017 7:17 pm    Post subject: To Stick or Not To Stick? Reply with quote

To Stick or Not To Stick ?

The wrong application of Chi Sao is believing you can stick to your opponent while fighting.
Well, unless your opponent is playing the same game,it's not possible. While your trying to stick or stay connected to your opponent bridge he will be striking you..You will be at least a half a beat behind him at all times, however, having a high level of skill in Chi Sao, can gives you a big advantage. But IMO to apply it that way is a gross misunderstanding and a mistake..You should be hitting your opponent not trying to play a Chi Sao game. Use your skills to strike your opponent and don't waste anytime..Use the skills you've developed to assist you to control and interrupt your opponent's movement, but your primary focus should be on striking him. Don't look for a bridge to cross over,just hit your opponent.

I guess Wong Shun Leung said it best "don't chase the hands"
_________________
http://www.youtube.com/user/sifumcilwrath

"When the student is ready the master will appear"
Back to top
View user's profile Send private message Send e-mail Visit poster's website Yahoo Messenger

Alan Armstrong
Black Belt
Black Belt

Joined: 28 Feb 2016
Posts: 2122


PostPosted: Fri Oct 13, 2017 4:12 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

stonecrusher69 wrote:
To Stick or Not To Stick ?

The wrong application of Chi Sao is believing you can stick to your opponent while fighting.
Well, unless your opponent is playing the same game,it's not possible. While your trying to stick or stay connected to your opponent bridge he will be striking you..You will be at least a half a beat behind him at all times, however, having a high level of skill in Chi Sao, can gives you a big advantage. But IMO to apply it that way is a gross misunderstanding and a mistake..You should be hitting your opponent not trying to play a Chi Sao game. Use your skills to strike your opponent and don't waste anytime..Use the skills you've developed to assist you to control and interrupt your opponent's movement, but your primary focus should be on striking him. Don't look for a bridge to cross over,just hit your opponent.

I guess Wong Shun Leung said it best "don't chase the hands"
Not enough to just cross over the bridge from the mainland, as the opponent can cross over to you just as easily, better to have total control over the bridge, then control the opponent's island also.

Good to see that you are back stonecrusher69
Back to top
View user's profile Send private message Send e-mail

stonecrusher69
Red Belt
Red Belt

Joined: 23 Apr 2002
Posts: 771
Location: New Jersey
Styles: MCM WING CHUN

PostPosted: Sat Oct 21, 2017 2:11 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

yes your right in that" to just to just cross over the bridge is not enough" you need to control, it will depend on how well each person can do that that will decide the victory.
_________________
http://www.youtube.com/user/sifumcilwrath

"When the student is ready the master will appear"
Back to top
View user's profile Send private message Send e-mail Visit poster's website Yahoo Messenger

Alan Armstrong
Black Belt
Black Belt

Joined: 28 Feb 2016
Posts: 2122


PostPosted: Sat Oct 21, 2017 4:46 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

As Bruce Lee would make an imaginary bridge, with the enemy falling for the attack, then he would simply land a strike on another point.

Making contact with a bridge or simply going around (like water) deceptive attacks can work separately or orchestrated together.

Controlling the bridge/forearm with a split second pack Sao, is all Bruce Lee needed for access to the Island/opponent.
Back to top
View user's profile Send private message Send e-mail

stonecrusher69
Red Belt
Red Belt

Joined: 23 Apr 2002
Posts: 771
Location: New Jersey
Styles: MCM WING CHUN

PostPosted: Sun Oct 22, 2017 10:02 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

In the movie "Inter the DRagon" when Bruce fought O'Hare thats a classic example of crossing the bridge and Pak Sao
_________________
http://www.youtube.com/user/sifumcilwrath

"When the student is ready the master will appear"
Back to top
View user's profile Send private message Send e-mail Visit poster's website Yahoo Messenger

Alan Armstrong
Black Belt
Black Belt

Joined: 28 Feb 2016
Posts: 2122


PostPosted: Mon Oct 23, 2017 12:06 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

stonecrusher69 wrote:
In the movie "Inter the DRagon" when Bruce fought O'Hare thats a classic example of crossing the bridge and Pak Sao
Yes, perfect example, from "Enter the dragon"
Back to top
View user's profile Send private message Send e-mail

Alan Armstrong
Black Belt
Black Belt

Joined: 28 Feb 2016
Posts: 2122


PostPosted: Tue Oct 24, 2017 10:50 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

This video explains/shows how Bruce Lee uses the:

1. Pak Sao (slapping hand)

2. Gum Sao (jamming lower strike)

3. Lap Sao (pulling hand)

From the movie "Enter The Dragon" O'Hara and Bruce fight scene.

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=qDGpJ61fI5I

Notice also how Bruce Lee's lower strike is just a feint.

Here is another video of the fight scene with an interesting music re-mix (just for fun)
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=ggSM6wn8M6I
Back to top
View user's profile Send private message Send e-mail
Display posts from previous:   
Post new topic   Reply to topic    KarateForums.com Forum Index -> Chinese Martial Arts All times are GMT - 6 Hours
Page 1 of 1
Jump to:  
You cannot post new topics in this forum
You cannot reply to topics in this forum
You cannot edit your posts in this forum
You cannot delete your posts in this forum
You cannot vote in polls in this forum


< Advertising - Contact - Disclosure Policy - Staff - User Guidelines >