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AngryMatt
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PostPosted: Fri Apr 01, 2005 1:14 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I think a guy trained for combat only would be better suited in, you know, a real fight over a guy trained in MMA for competition. Why? Because there are rules in competition and you're drilled over and over again about those rules.

That being said, MMA fighters would be damn good in a fight and I would not dare go up against them.
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PostPosted: Fri Apr 01, 2005 1:26 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I disagree with Zero on a few points when concerning Street Fighting. Street Fighting is a term I think there needs to be a clear definition before discussing the types of skills needed to survive an attack. Are you being attacked with a knive, a bat, club, etc.. MMA for UFC don't train you in weapons, why would they? So I would say the hand to hand skills for a one one match are pretty good, but the street and the ring are very different. I wouldn't want to get into a grappling match with no shirt and shorts on the street if I could help it. I see the same patterns BJJers want to go to the ground and Strikers want to finish it standing. These training habits can be used against you on the street, especially if someone wants to kill you. In the street the attackers intent maybe to kill you, not just to win by submission or knockout. The person on the street may have a weapon hidden or a buddy waiting to stomp your head into the ground. So basically the way you fight would be very different and the level of alertness and observation of the environment are some of many factors not taken into concideration by Sport MA's. So let's not be close minded about what other MA's have to offer. Remember your best chance for surviving an attack on the street is to see it before it happens. It is my opinion that the only real factor that MMA has over TMA's is it's training methods, not it's techniques.
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baronbvp
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PostPosted: Sat Apr 02, 2005 10:37 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Why do you street fight? For fun? Are you an aggressor, or do you merely get attacked all the time? I'm guessing you can't walk away when someone calls you out.
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Bama Crimson
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PostPosted: Sat Apr 02, 2005 11:04 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

UFC fighters use what works best in their environment. Fighting in the Octagon one on one is still a controlled situation. Granted, its about as close to a real street fight as you can get.

But you're one on one. You don't have to worry about your "attacker" having a buddy waiting behind you to jump you. You don't have to worry about weapons. You can grapple on the mat which is not as hard as the paved road. A fight stops when one is cut too badly to continue. You fight a certain number of rounds that are timed. A real street fight is not timed, does not have rounds, does not end with a bad cut, and is fought in an area much different than the octagon. Leaving the fight is not an option in the UFC, but in a street fight you have the option at times to flight rather than fight.

A am a big fan of the UFC, but I realize there is more to martial arts than the UFC.
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PostPosted: Sat Apr 02, 2005 9:05 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Why does who street fight?
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STR33T GUY
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PostPosted: Sun Apr 03, 2005 9:16 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Treebranch wrote:
Why does who street fight?


I’ve been in a lot of street fights, far more than my martial art peers. Most were when I was much younger. I’ve only been in three fights in the last ten years.

I’ve also trained in different martial arts some were TMA and others were SMA, I consider myself a MMA even though I don’t compete.
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baronbvp
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PostPosted: Sun Apr 03, 2005 9:59 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

OK. What did you learn? What was different?
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STR33T GUY
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PostPosted: Sun Apr 03, 2005 10:35 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

baronbvp wrote:
OK. What did you learn? What was different?


Well regarding the UFC,

The UFC isn’t like a street fight at all. But the rules are sufficiently limited that the UFC is a good demonstration of which techniques generally work the best in a street fight. The best martial arts are the ones with the best collection of techniques. The strategies used by competitors in the UFC however aren’t necessarily good strategies to have on the street.

I don’t think that the UFC or MMA is a style, not yet anyway.
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ovine king
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PostPosted: Sun Apr 03, 2005 11:03 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

actually, i would say that MMA has become a style.
go to any MMA gym in the uk and you would most probably see the same thing being trained.
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PostPosted: Sun Apr 03, 2005 1:08 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Str33tguy, what did you find in the street? What do people do that differs from MMA? What do good street fighters do and bad street fighters do?
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