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DWx
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Location: UK
Styles: Tae Kwon Do & Yang family Tai Chi
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Harkon72
Black Belt
Joined: 27 Aug 2012
Posts: 1875
Location: Wales
Styles: Okinawan Karate, Aikido, Ninpo.
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Posted: Tue Nov 26, 2013 4:39 pm Post subject: |
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I'm not going to get into a political debate about the past Sombo Fighter Vladimir Putin. For some he is a Hero, David Cameron is a Hero for some too. I suppose it all depends on your point of view. These Honorary awards really puzzle me, on one hand I can see their value; but on another they're no more than a gesture of gratitude. But showing appreciation is never a bad thing. _________________ Look to the far mountain and see all. |
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sensei8
KF Sensei
Joined: 23 Feb 2008
Posts: 16370
Location: Las Vegas, NV
Styles: Shindokan Saitou-ryu [Shuri-te/Okinawa-te based]
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Posted: Tue Nov 26, 2013 5:15 pm Post subject: |
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Congrats to him in receiving his honorary 9th Dan in TKD.
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andym
Green Belt
Joined: 05 Jul 2011
Posts: 487
Styles: Goju Ryu
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Posted: Wed Nov 27, 2013 4:38 pm Post subject: |
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To be fair, it is an honorary one. The reasoning - self interest by the WTF. That said, Putin at least trains and some bits I've seen are better than say WMAA videos, that have recently gone from YouTube. Shame, they were such a laugh. _________________ If you believe in an ideal. You don't own it ; it owns you. |
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IcemanSK
Black Belt
Joined: 12 Oct 2005
Posts: 1084
Location: Los Angeles, CA
Styles: Taekwondo Chung Do Kwan
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Posted: Sat Nov 30, 2013 1:48 pm Post subject: |
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I've seen some fellow Kukki-TKD folks get very upset about this. "How dare they give him a 9th Dan (even if it's honorary)."
The reality is it's an honorary rank, it's not like he'd legitimately call himself 'grandmaster.' Like an honorary doctorate given to a graduation speaker at a university graduation, it doesn't imbue them with a title or honors. No alum from a unversity would say, "I can't believe they gave an honorary doctorate to (this or that) person!" Because the honor itself is not important. If they didn't like the person they'd say, "I can't believe they invited so and so to speak."
We in MA get bent out of shape about the oddest things, sometimes. IMO _________________ Being a good fighter is One thing. Being a good person is Everything. Kevin "Superkick" McClinton |
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DWx
Black Belt
Joined: 17 Jan 2007
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Location: UK
Styles: Tae Kwon Do & Yang family Tai Chi
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Posted: Sat Nov 30, 2013 2:09 pm Post subject: |
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IcemanSK wrote: |
I've seen some fellow Kukki-TKD folks get very upset about this. "How dare they give him a 9th Dan (even if it's honorary)."
The reality is it's an honorary rank, it's not like he'd legitimately call himself 'grandmaster.' Like an honorary doctorate given to a graduation speaker at a university graduation, it doesn't imbue them with a title or honors. No alum from a unversity would say, "I can't believe they gave an honorary doctorate to (this or that) person!" Because the honor itself is not important. If they didn't like the person they'd say, "I can't believe they invited so and so to speak."
We in MA get bent out of shape about the oddest things, sometimes. IMO |
My sentiments exactly. Honorary belts / degrees don't equate to proficiency in the subject. I will say however that from personal experience competing in Russia, it does seem that Putin and his government are very supportive of the martial arts. _________________ "Everything has its beauty, but not everyone sees it." ~ Confucius |
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sensei8
KF Sensei
Joined: 23 Feb 2008
Posts: 16370
Location: Las Vegas, NV
Styles: Shindokan Saitou-ryu [Shuri-te/Okinawa-te based]
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Posted: Tue Dec 03, 2013 12:42 pm Post subject: |
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The honorary BB is a nice sentiment, but it's often misunderstood by its receivers. They think there really are that, when they're not at all.
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bushido_man96
KF Sensei
Joined: 31 Mar 2006
Posts: 30149
Location: Hays, KS
Styles: Taekwondo, Combat Hapkido, Aikido, GRACIE, Police Krav Maga, SPEAR
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Posted: Fri Dec 06, 2013 11:16 am Post subject: |
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DWx wrote: |
IcemanSK wrote: |
I've seen some fellow Kukki-TKD folks get very upset about this. "How dare they give him a 9th Dan (even if it's honorary)."
The reality is it's an honorary rank, it's not like he'd legitimately call himself 'grandmaster.' Like an honorary doctorate given to a graduation speaker at a university graduation, it doesn't imbue them with a title or honors. No alum from a unversity would say, "I can't believe they gave an honorary doctorate to (this or that) person!" Because the honor itself is not important. If they didn't like the person they'd say, "I can't believe they invited so and so to speak."
We in MA get bent out of shape about the oddest things, sometimes. IMO |
My sentiments exactly. Honorary belts / degrees don't equate to proficiency in the subject. I will say however that from personal experience competing in Russia, it does seem that Putin and his government are very supportive of the martial arts. |
Agreed. With the WTF being tied up in politics like it is, like it has to be, in order to remain an Olympic sport, things like this won't likely go unoticed by the IOC. And, the idea behind Martial Arts is that it can cross cultural and political barriers, etc etc.
He also does hold rank in Judo, so the guy is a Martial Artist at least. Congrats to him on this honorary title. _________________ www.haysgym.com
http://www.sunyis.com/
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sensei8
KF Sensei
Joined: 23 Feb 2008
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Location: Las Vegas, NV
Styles: Shindokan Saitou-ryu [Shuri-te/Okinawa-te based]
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Posted: Sat Dec 07, 2013 11:26 am Post subject: |
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bushido_man96 wrote: |
DWx wrote: |
IcemanSK wrote: |
I've seen some fellow Kukki-TKD folks get very upset about this. "How dare they give him a 9th Dan (even if it's honorary)."
The reality is it's an honorary rank, it's not like he'd legitimately call himself 'grandmaster.' Like an honorary doctorate given to a graduation speaker at a university graduation, it doesn't imbue them with a title or honors. No alum from a unversity would say, "I can't believe they gave an honorary doctorate to (this or that) person!" Because the honor itself is not important. If they didn't like the person they'd say, "I can't believe they invited so and so to speak."
We in MA get bent out of shape about the oddest things, sometimes. IMO |
My sentiments exactly. Honorary belts / degrees don't equate to proficiency in the subject. I will say however that from personal experience competing in Russia, it does seem that Putin and his government are very supportive of the martial arts. |
Agreed. With the WTF being tied up in politics like it is, like it has to be, in order to remain an Olympic sport, things like this won't likely go unoticed by the IOC. And, the idea behind Martial Arts is that it can cross cultural and political barriers, etc etc.
He also does hold rank in Judo, so the guy is a Martial Artist at least. Congrats to him on this honorary title. |
I wholeheartedly concur!!
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