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Alan Armstrong
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Posted: Wed Dec 19, 2018 5:48 am Post subject: What does using Bone Power mean to you? |
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Do you practice or use bone power movements? |
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Fat Cobra
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Posted: Wed Dec 19, 2018 8:14 am Post subject: |
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I have not heard of this. What does it consist of? _________________ Yondan in Ryukyu Kempo
Head of the Shubu Kan Dojo in Carthage, NY
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sensei8
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Posted: Wed Dec 19, 2018 8:27 am Post subject: |
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Fat Cobra wrote: |
I have not heard of this. What does it consist of? |
I wonder myself. Any info in this regards to preface your OP, Alan??
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Wastelander
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Styles: Shorin-Ryu, Shuri-Ryu, Judo, KishimotoDi
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Posted: Wed Dec 19, 2018 8:41 am Post subject: |
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Without knowing your definition of "bone power," it is hard to say. Bones do not actually generate power, but they do transfer it, and in that regard, we incorporate the study of bone alignment as part of chinkuchi. Essentially, trying to ensure that the joints of the body move in such a way, and the bones line up in such a way, that power is transferred as efficiently and safely as possible. _________________ Kishimoto-Di | 2014-Present | Sensei: Ulf Karlsson
Shorin-Ryu/Shinkoten Karate | 2010-Present: Yondan, Renshi | Sensei: Richard Poage (RIP), Jeff Allred (RIP)
Shuri-Ryu | 2006-2010: Sankyu | Sensei: Joey Johnston, Joe Walker (RIP)
Judo | 2007-2010: Gokyu | Sensei: Joe Walker (RIP), Ramon Rivera (RIP), Adrian Rivera
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Alan Armstrong
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Posted: Fri Dec 21, 2018 7:31 pm Post subject: |
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The way I personally regard bone power is that of a type of Dragon or lizard movement, could also include Greyhounds and Cheaters with their attribute of speed and agility.
As bone power still needs muscles, the use of them is put to the minimum.
Bruce Lee's one inch punch is typical use of bone power, encompassing total skeletal alignment opone impact.
Bruce Lee's physique resembling the leaness of muscle for utilising bone power, strength, speed and agility.
Bone power includes activating the spine and includes full range of movement, also using the joints elasticity to the fullest.
Watching Shaolin monks limbering up and stretching is very obviously bone power methodology at work.
As using bone power encompasses using minimal muscle, the hyperextending and Stretching out and reaching when delivering blows can create extraordinary results, such as an over hand right thrown to the head, that lands can be devastating for the recipient. |
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Fat Cobra
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Posted: Mon Dec 24, 2018 9:56 am Post subject: |
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Ahhh, I see.
Though I agree with your statements, I interpret it a little different. One of our Core Principles in Ryukyu Kempo is "Structural Integrity." To us (and I assume to most styles), everything starts with the feet on the ground. If your stance or structure is strong, it transfers throughout your entire body. Yes, body mechanics, such as hip movement and joint movement (and muscle), have a lot to do with power, but solid structural integrity does as well. If your base is week everything else will also be. Your base relies on your skeletal framework as much as your muscles. _________________ Yondan in Ryukyu Kempo
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Alan Armstrong
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Posted: Mon Dec 24, 2018 10:23 am Post subject: |
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With martial arts there is always exceptions to rules, even with structural integrity and balance as important as they are they are not the all and end all of fighting, but I do like to keep mine as intact as possible all the while attacking the opponents.
Claude van Dame utilise bone power in his movies especially when he has that crazy look on his face when palm striking his opponent in the chest LOL.
Shotokan with its emphasis on one blow to finish a fight is also in the region of using bone power, as when also adding throws and takedowns, then this automatically becomes a fierce Dragon way of figjting.
Also heavy handedness when striking uses bone power and also can be used when using feet, elbows and knees, by relaxing the muscles the weight of the bones can be better utilized as most people hit with far too much tension in their muscles, which is similar to driving and the brakes are on all the time. |
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Fat Cobra
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Posted: Wed Dec 26, 2018 7:56 am Post subject: |
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Alan Armstrong wrote: |
Also heavy handedness when striking uses bone power and also can be used when using feet, elbows and knees, by relaxing the muscles the weight of the bones can be better utilized as most people hit with far too much tension in their muscles, which is similar to driving and the brakes are on all the time. |
Alan, I agree with you 100% on this one. _________________ Yondan in Ryukyu Kempo
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sensei8
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Posted: Wed Dec 26, 2018 1:52 pm Post subject: |
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Fat Cobra wrote: |
Alan Armstrong wrote: |
Also heavy handedness when striking uses bone power and also can be used when using feet, elbows and knees, by relaxing the muscles the weight of the bones can be better utilized as most people hit with far too much tension in their muscles, which is similar to driving and the brakes are on all the time. |
Alan, I agree with you 100% on this one. |
The bone is the frame work behind each and every technique the we can ever create and imagine. Without the bone utilized as it is and/or can be, there's nothing we can do.
Imho!!
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bushido_man96
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Posted: Wed Dec 26, 2018 6:31 pm Post subject: |
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I agree that structural integrity is important in technical execution. Muscles provide the movement of the body, and thus the power. The skeletal system provides the support.
However, I feel that the use of the term "bone power" can be misleading, leading one to believe that there is a difference between that and "muscle power."
As mentioned earlier, bones themselves cannot provide any power. They provide the support.
Speaking in terms of physics, power = work done or energy transferred per unit of time, or the time rate of doing work.
Bruce Lee's one-inch punch was so devastating because of his explosive ability. His "locking" of the technique upon completion is what I believe you are referring to as "bone power." The same can be said of an extended side kick or a reverse punch in a form or a board break.
I think I understand the point you are trying to make, I just don't like the terminology. _________________ www.haysgym.com
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