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TJ-Jitsu
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PostPosted: Thu Jan 18, 2018 9:35 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Alan Armstrong wrote:
TJ-Jitsu wrote:
Alan Armstrong wrote:
TJ-Jitsu wrote:
Alan Armstrong wrote:
Wing Chun Superman Punch

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UxRKGiXoMb4

What makes this punch a Wing Chun Superman Punch whereas other styles and systems also have access to it?

As Wing Chun incorporates the Chinese Yin/Yang harmonies and contrasts, such as the multiple rapid, none commited "chain" punches and the direct, fully committed "1 inch" punch.

As the punch in the video is from the "1 inch" punch variety.

As this fighter is concealing his fighting system and intent, whereas his opponent is doing just the opposite by dancing and showing off his abilities.

My point being, that those that really know how to use Wing Chun, never show it off, as it is supposed to be cloaked in ordinariness and never displayed as anything threatening or impressive.

Wing Chun is a totally deceptive system of fighting which is contradictory to the openess of the Shaolin believe system.

Authentic Wing Chun is none traditional Kung Fu, the real name of this system is "Weng Chun kuen" which is far more complex, than the commercialized versions, that most people are exposed to.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Weng_chun

Commercialized Wing Chun is a watered down version and of course pick it to pieces, as it is not as effective as the real thing any way.


That was a faked video that's been around for a long time, often with different titles but wing chun isn't one of them. It was initially labeled as capeiora fights mma. It's a staged video- i don't even think the crowd isnreal
Wow you have a good eye TJ-Jitsu but Superman punches are very real.
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=wHI4jhoHQh8


Of course they are, but they're hardly a wing chun innovation. They've been around about as long as kicks have in the UFC. In fact, the more committment to the roundhouse, (or attempted roundhouse) the easier and stronger the superman punch.
An early 1980s Wing Chun movie (Pre 1993 UFC) "The Prodigal Son" in it landing a Superman punch.

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=1gGyP6o9i1Y




If that's a superman punch, its terrible. It'd be more appropriate to call that a "jumping punch" than a superman punch, and most likely done for theatrics.

This guy merely jumps and throws his fist- theres no power on that (we've talked about that, yeah?). A superman punch comes from the feigned kick snapping back into a punch. Still the power has to be derived from the foot that's on the ground as that's the one pulling the leg that did the kicking.

To merely jump and throw a punch is to do just that, and is to lose any and all power...
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PostPosted: Sat Jan 20, 2018 5:54 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

TJ-Jitsu wrote:
Alan Armstrong wrote:
TJ-Jitsu wrote:
Alan Armstrong wrote:
TJ-Jitsu wrote:
Alan Armstrong wrote:
Wing Chun Superman Punch

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UxRKGiXoMb4

What makes this punch a Wing Chun Superman Punch whereas other styles and systems also have access to it?

As Wing Chun incorporates the Chinese Yin/Yang harmonies and contrasts, such as the multiple rapid, none commited "chain" punches and the direct, fully committed "1 inch" punch.

As the punch in the video is from the "1 inch" punch variety.

As this fighter is concealing his fighting system and intent, whereas his opponent is doing just the opposite by dancing and showing off his abilities.

My point being, that those that really know how to use Wing Chun, never show it off, as it is supposed to be cloaked in ordinariness and never displayed as anything threatening or impressive.

Wing Chun is a totally deceptive system of fighting which is contradictory to the openess of the Shaolin believe system.

Authentic Wing Chun is none traditional Kung Fu, the real name of this system is "Weng Chun kuen" which is far more complex, than the commercialized versions, that most people are exposed to.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Weng_chun

Commercialized Wing Chun is a watered down version and of course pick it to pieces, as it is not as effective as the real thing any way.


That was a faked video that's been around for a long time, often with different titles but wing chun isn't one of them. It was initially labeled as capeiora fights mma. It's a staged video- i don't even think the crowd isnreal
Wow you have a good eye TJ-Jitsu but Superman punches are very real.
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=wHI4jhoHQh8


Of course they are, but they're hardly a wing chun innovation. They've been around about as long as kicks have in the UFC. In fact, the more committment to the roundhouse, (or attempted roundhouse) the easier and stronger the superman punch.
An early 1980s Wing Chun movie (Pre 1993 UFC) "The Prodigal Son" in it landing a Superman punch.

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=1gGyP6o9i1Y




If that's a superman punch, its terrible. It'd be more appropriate to call that a "jumping punch" than a superman punch, and most likely done for theatrics.

This guy merely jumps and throws his fist- theres no power on that (we've talked about that, yeah?). A superman punch comes from the feigned kick snapping back into a punch. Still the power has to be derived from the foot that's on the ground as that's the one pulling the leg that did the kicking.

To merely jump and throw a punch is to do just that, and is to lose any and all power...

Someone who just might have the Superman Punch figured out...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SJDwsS-3z6s



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PostPosted: Sat Jan 20, 2018 9:51 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

sensei8 wrote:
TJ-Jitsu wrote:
Alan Armstrong wrote:
TJ-Jitsu wrote:
Alan Armstrong wrote:
TJ-Jitsu wrote:
Alan Armstrong wrote:
Wing Chun Superman Punch

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UxRKGiXoMb4

What makes this punch a Wing Chun Superman Punch whereas other styles and systems also have access to it?

As Wing Chun incorporates the Chinese Yin/Yang harmonies and contrasts, such as the multiple rapid, none commited "chain" punches and the direct, fully committed "1 inch" punch.

As the punch in the video is from the "1 inch" punch variety.

As this fighter is concealing his fighting system and intent, whereas his opponent is doing just the opposite by dancing and showing off his abilities.

My point being, that those that really know how to use Wing Chun, never show it off, as it is supposed to be cloaked in ordinariness and never displayed as anything threatening or impressive.

Wing Chun is a totally deceptive system of fighting which is contradictory to the openess of the Shaolin believe system.

Authentic Wing Chun is none traditional Kung Fu, the real name of this system is "Weng Chun kuen" which is far more complex, than the commercialized versions, that most people are exposed to.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Weng_chun

Commercialized Wing Chun is a watered down version and of course pick it to pieces, as it is not as effective as the real thing any way.


That was a faked video that's been around for a long time, often with different titles but wing chun isn't one of them. It was initially labeled as capeiora fights mma. It's a staged video- i don't even think the crowd isnreal
Wow you have a good eye TJ-Jitsu but Superman punches are very real.
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=wHI4jhoHQh8


Of course they are, but they're hardly a wing chun innovation. They've been around about as long as kicks have in the UFC. In fact, the more committment to the roundhouse, (or attempted roundhouse) the easier and stronger the superman punch.
An early 1980s Wing Chun movie (Pre 1993 UFC) "The Prodigal Son" in it landing a Superman punch.

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=1gGyP6o9i1Y




If that's a superman punch, its terrible. It'd be more appropriate to call that a "jumping punch" than a superman punch, and most likely done for theatrics.

This guy merely jumps and throws his fist- theres no power on that (we've talked about that, yeah?). A superman punch comes from the feigned kick snapping back into a punch. Still the power has to be derived from the foot that's on the ground as that's the one pulling the leg that did the kicking.

To merely jump and throw a punch is to do just that, and is to lose any and all power...

Someone who just might have the Superman Punch figured out...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SJDwsS-3z6s


All and any punches Superman makes are authentic Superman punches, all us humans can hope for or do are imitations at best; except for the few here on Earth that are not %100 human.
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PostPosted: Sat Jan 20, 2018 10:34 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I know very little about this art. Because of that I cannot comment from a personal perspective. If I were to comment based solely on watching the art and some of the videos posted, I would say there are some viable applications and some that I would not teach or use due to ineffectiveness based only on my perusal opinion.

It really comes down to the individual student and what works for them. What works for me may not fit another. What I find ineffective might work for someone else.

Itís hard to make an accurate assessment based off watching a few videos because you are judging an art based on the individual performing it rather than personal experience. As such this is all I can say about this art.
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PostPosted: Fri Nov 30, 2018 7:19 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Wing Chun is a concept based system of fighting, as such there is a lot of ideas to absorb and over time they do make sense working together.

Potential problem is one teacher of Wing Chun will over emphasize aspects of their own personal perspective, also as it has been shown that classic moves need to adapted to modern day fighting systems.

Another issue is trying to make Wing Chun a competitive sport as groin kicks and eye gouges don't fit well in to sportsmanship behaviour, that wiould only create blind impotent Maoists.

As comparing Wing Chun to karate, personally three months training in karate I was fighting full contact, as compared to teaching Wing Chun, I wouldn't dare to do such a thing to a student.

I find it interesting that much of the terminology of JKD is Wing Chun including JKD which ironically is also.

Also that JKD is somehow something entirely different than Wing Chun but in actuality it is the person expressing the same thing that makes the real difference.

As when Bruce Lee does the exact same move of Wing Chun it is considered to be JKD; just a little food for thought.
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PostPosted: Tue Apr 23, 2019 8:13 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

There are governing principles that those that practice Wing Chun agree on, no matter what lineage or background they belong to.

However these principles when in combat competitions, become hopelessly lost due to not practising "long range" Wing Chun.

Where in long range Wing Chun, stances need to be wider and lower, head bobbin n' weavin need to be utilised for evasive manovers.

Above all the use of fluidity and not to freeze frame Wing Chun postures as in the reality of combat there are none.

Wing Chun traditional clothing needs to change when in the modern arenas, as it is counterproductive for the wearer and is advantageous for everyone else.

As for wearing gloves, Wing Chun practitioners are not geared towards being power strikers, as practing hitting with bear hands, as they lean more towards speed and acculmative hitting and not at full potential, as it is different for many other systems; therefore the wearing of gloves diminishes the effectiveness of Wing Chun strikes even further.
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PostPosted: Thu May 02, 2019 2:14 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Wing Chun slowly but surely is creeping in to MMA.

As fighters in MMA are looking to use what works and what opponent's haven't trained for, namely Wing Chun.

https://youtu.be/TWjHXZJ2_Bs

For my predictions:

As when Wing Chun has been kicking and sticking around in the Octagon long enough to be predictable, then another flavour such as Silat will be on the menu, to satisfy the hunger for victory.
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