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Himokiri Karate
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PostPosted: Mon Apr 12, 2021 9:56 pm    Post subject: Which style of karate is grappling heavy? Reply with quote

I understand that karate is a striking art but I am wondering which style of karate is grappling heavy in terms of throws and takedowns and maybe ground or newaza as the judokas like to call it.
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PostPosted: Tue Apr 13, 2021 11:31 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Style-wise, it's a mixed bag. You're more likely to find that sort of material from schools that teach "practical karate," regardless of the style. The material is present in all styles of karate, but they don't all train in it.
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PostPosted: Tue Apr 13, 2021 11:47 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

This can not only vary with the style but also organizations within that style, and also potentially instructors. For example, in Uechi-Ryu we are always taught to grab an opponent to control him and maintain appropriate distance. Additionally, there are a number of throws inherent in our kata and bunkai. However, not all organizations and/or instructors will teach them. Last year, my CI and his father taught at a seminar discussing these throws and takedowns, and a number of the attendees were seeing those throws for the first time.

We don't practice those throws/takedowns very often, but they are a lot of fun to work on. Generally we'll work them once or twice a month.
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PostPosted: Wed Apr 14, 2021 7:24 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Wastelander wrote:
Style-wise, it's a mixed bag. You're more likely to find that sort of material from schools that teach "practical karate," regardless of the style. The material is present in all styles of karate, but they don't all train in it.

Solid post!!

As far as "Heavy" is according to ones understanding. In Shindokan, I'd most assuredly say that we're "Heavy" in grappling. We train in grappling from day one because our founder was a firm believer that sometime during a fight, it'll end up on the ground, and a lot of that will come to pass because we take the fight to the ground according.



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Himokiri Karate
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PostPosted: Thu Apr 15, 2021 9:49 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Wastelander wrote:
Style-wise, it's a mixed bag. You're more likely to find that sort of material from schools that teach "practical karate," regardless of the style. The material is present in all styles of karate, but they don't all train in it.


I remembered Bruce Tegners Jukado and how he combined karate with judo. In sambo you can punch and kick in the combat version. I always wondered if karate had a combat curriculum that addressed throws and grappling.
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PostPosted: Sat Apr 17, 2021 3:09 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I would say Okinawan style of Goju Ryu has a lot of close range grappling.
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PostPosted: Sat Apr 17, 2021 7:38 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

The Pred wrote:
I would say Okinawan style of Goju Ryu has a lot of close range grappling.


That is what I've heard a lot, as well. I think it'd be a fun one to try.
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PostPosted: Sat Apr 17, 2021 11:43 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Shorin Ryu ( Matsamura Seito version ) has a lot of standing locks, take downs and throws but little 'wrestling on the ground' .

Most come from bunkai in kata that others see as blocks and strikes, etc .

Being a 'traditional' Okinawan form (old style karate ) is has more of the 'Okinawan wrestling' in it than adapted latter 'Japanese versions ' that either changed or used an already changed system and it seems to focus more on on striking .

If any thing I would say Shorin Ryu seems to focus more on tai sabaki than striking ; striking is often used as the initial 'distraction' ... and some times as a final 'ending' to a technique
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PostPosted: Tue Apr 20, 2021 12:53 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Definitely is a mixed bag but then it is even more of a mixed bag when it comes to the schools teaching it.

We do a bit of grappling/throws etc at my school because a few of us have the experience from having learnt it elsewhere. Along with being encouraged to learn from other instructors.
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