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Drag'n
Orange Belt
Joined: 15 Jan 2005
Posts: 224
Location: Tokyo, Japan
Styles: Daidojuku/Kudo ,Muay Thai, TKD.......
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Posted: Tue Sep 27, 2005 8:45 am Post subject: |
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Nice article. I turned to MuayThai after getting really exasperated with the impractical training methods I had been getting at so called traditional dojos for years. Then a while ago I met some guys who practised real Okinawan kenpo.Their enterpretations of the movements were completely diferent to the things I had been taught in Korean and Japanese systems, And waay more efective. It really opened my eyes to what karate was originally intended to be like. The training was realistic and they were also open to encorporating effective techniques from other arts.I trained with them for a while and really got alot out of it. But my body is so accustomed to Muay Thai now that I decided to stick to what I'm doing.
I think when people refer to traditional arts they're generally talking about Japanese and Korean influenced Karate and dont realise that its very different to what was practised in Okinawa. _________________ "Today is a good day to die"
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Killer Miller
Brown Belt
Joined: 29 Nov 2002
Posts: 732
Location: California
Styles: JKA Shotokan
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Posted: Tue Oct 11, 2005 8:33 pm Post subject: |
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Nice article.
When I tell someone that I do/did traditional karate, I don't really think of it in the physical sense of the word. You are right in the sense that you can't say that physical attributes are necessarily traditional. Traditional karate is a training concept, an art, and most importantly a "way of life." Traditional karate is not really taught as a sport for trophies, belts, fame or money. You are learning a new way of thinking, learning, training, etc., that has the training concepts and attributes of the art of traditionally taught karate. You never fully learn the art, because the art is always evolving and there are always new things to learn. So this means that the physical aspect of karate are not really that important as a whole.
As far as Kata, kata is historical in the sense that when martial arts was outlawed, kata was the form of training karate without getting arrested. It was trained in the form of a traditional dance. However, it contained all of the elements of normal karate training.
Lets compare this training concept with todays modern or "non-traditional" martial. One you have achieved your black belt, 52 trophies on your mantle, $$$ in prize money, etc., there is a tendancy to stop progessing or training. This would be considered non-traditional because it has not become your way of life, for the rest of your life, with the goal to always train and learn with the traditional concepts of the art.
So traditional karate is truly more than the word "traditional" or the difference of the physical attributes, it's truly the traditional art of karate - or whatever traditional art you train...
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Sensei Rick
Blue Belt
Joined: 30 Oct 2005
Posts: 310
Location: Phoenix, Az.
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Posted: Thu Nov 03, 2005 7:44 am Post subject: |
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a truly great article, thank you for it. I would be interested in knowing your favorite kata. _________________ place clever martial arts phrase here |
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Shorin Ryuu
Black Belt
Joined: 19 May 2003
Posts: 1862
Location: Pearl City, HI
Styles: Shorin Ryu, Ryukyu Kobudo
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Posted: Tue Dec 13, 2005 10:49 pm Post subject: |
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Wow. I didn't even know this article was still being responded to.
My favorite kata? Hmm...I like so many of them, it is always hard to say. My first response is usually the Passai or Naihanchi kata. Although I have been known to enjoy mangling Hakutsuru. _________________ Martial Arts Blog:http://bujutsublogger.blogspot.com/ |
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Patrick
KF Administrator
Joined: 01 May 2001
Posts: 28739
Location: Los Angeles, California
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Shrekka
Yellow Belt
Joined: 18 Dec 2005
Posts: 39
Styles: Karate
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Posted: Sun Dec 18, 2005 11:52 pm Post subject: |
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Shorin Ryuu - Nice article, some interesting concepts in there, and most of them I agree with.
What is your definition of traditional Kata? What do you think about some of the Kata that is being thrown around nowadays?
And lastly, what is your Kata syllabus? |
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shogeri
Brown Belt
Joined: 16 Jun 2005
Posts: 663
Styles: Instructor in Internal, External, Mixed Styles
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Posted: Mon Dec 19, 2005 8:33 am Post subject: |
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I agree, it was a great article!
Thanks!
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atalaya
Yellow Belt
Joined: 31 Aug 2005
Posts: 88
Location: USA-varies
Styles: kyokushin, goju-ryu, aikido
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Posted: Sat Dec 31, 2005 3:51 pm Post subject: BUNKAI or technical analysis is the key |
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adonis appears to have hit the nail on the head as far as making kata a personal training exercise versus simply mimicking what others show you. by having your peers stand in as "victim-teers" you can try each technique in a new way. share your ideas. write down what you find works and doesn't work. try holding knives or sticks in your hands while you perform different movements.
as an aside- i have enjoyed the discussion about what is "traditional." perhaps something to consider, however, is that the nature of language and words in specific is to convey meaning. if i say "traditional karate" and someone understands it to mean what i practice- i have succeeded in my attempts at being understood. _________________ some thoughts on karateKarateRanch Blog |
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Ryute23
White Belt
Joined: 02 May 2005
Posts: 14
Location: Plainfield, New Jersey
Styles: Ryute
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Posted: Mon Jul 24, 2006 7:15 pm Post subject: |
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Bravo, many popular maagazines and modern style martial artist should consider this. Just because one does not understand the meaning of a kata doesnt mean it is obsolete or people fight differently today than they did years ago. _________________ Dojo Principle #3
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bushido_man96
KF Sensei
Joined: 31 Mar 2006
Posts: 30167
Location: Hays, KS
Styles: Taekwondo, Combat Hapkido, Aikido, GRACIE, Police Krav Maga, SPEAR
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Posted: Mon Jul 24, 2006 7:34 pm Post subject: Who put the "Traditional" in Traditional Karate? |
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That is a very good article. I am glad it was dug up. Now I can direct people from the "English vs. Japanese in training" thread to this one when they talk about losing traditions because the language isn't used. _________________ www.haysgym.com
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