Who Put the "Traditional" in Traditional Karate?

Shorin Ryuu · Black Belt

I apologize for thread necromancy of the worst sort (reviving your own dead threads), but I've decided to come back after an extended absence, and this is an article as opposed to other threads.

INSKMITHADDICT · White Belt

You are exactly right. I believe that you must in any situation use non traditional movements/forms/katas. You must learn to be fluid not in form. although katas help you learn discapline etc. etc. And bascially give honor to the elders like Hanshi SHugoro Nakazato, Hanshi Tadashi Yamashita,Hanshi Matayoshi and many of the past master whom have dedicated their lifes to formaing katas. I would write a whole heck of alot more but I believe in being short.

Shorin Ryuu · Black Belt

? I said nothing of the sort. And actually, my views on karate have evolved some since I have written this piece (although the basic tenets are the same). I strongly believe that you should fight in the same manner and style as your kata. I don't do kata to honor Chibana Sensei, although he is highly deserving of honor, I do kata to be a great fighter.
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INSKMITHADDICT · White Belt

I am talking about when in a true fight sense, You cant tell me that you would stand shoulders square and front kick like you learn or practise in katas. And further more I was agreeing with you then adding my own view of what I feel is right. I to practice to be a great fighter but not in the same sense. when I practice a kata I do think of the person whom created it and what they were thinking when they concepted it and what I can do to improve it for myself. You cant apply a kata to a everyday event but use bits and pieces, if you do you'll either get yourself killed or severly made fun of. that's my view.

Shorin Ryuu · Black Belt

I see.

I am also speaking of fighting in a true sense. If you cannot fight well in the same manner that you do your kata, then there are some general assumptions you can make. Either you do not understand your well enough because you lack the ability or you simply weren't shown, or the kata you are doing isn't worth doing.

It is a matter of common sense. If the way in which you do your kata is very impractical for a real fight, then it is very impractical for you to even do kata in the first place.

I am not saying that kata is used for preprogrammed responses to events that occur in a fight. I am saying that the way you execute techniques in the kata should be the same way you execute them in a real fight. For example, I wouldn't stand with my shoulders square and front kick like that because that's not how we do our kata.
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bushido_man96 · KF Sensei

INSKMITHADDICT · White Belt

I tend to agree with Bashido_man69 in what he has said. What I am sayig is there are some offensive and defensive movements that you would use and when you sit back and look at these and compaire them to what is taught they are some what different. I to would block my head and any other areas that are vital in different ways other then shown in katas like the high and low blocks. I also do not stand in some of the crouch postions that are taught too. I do maintain balance and all that good stuff and defensively give punches that usually end right then and there. I understand your view point completely. But in a manner of speaking they are yours and others in this same style may have very different feelings as I have stated Hanshi Tadashi Yamashita. I don't know if you have ever met him, he is a very nice man. I have read alot of what you have written and I agree with some of it but not all of it. Remember a pond without fish is not worth looking and a valley without life is not worth the journey. You should consider other peoples views and apply them as you would any other thing you learn. Thats is what makes us human and not robots. Just as I have read what you have I will take what I have learned from you and apply it the way I have learned it. Thats the way I am.

Shorin Ryuu · Black Belt

I never said I didn't consider what you said; I just don't agree with you. If the movements are not practical, and I've stated my theories on why they would not be, then I feel there is no point in doing them.

Like one famed radio talk show host says, I prefer clarity to agreement. If we do not agree, then that is fine. And like my instructor Pat Nakata says, I think it is nice that we can agree to disagree without becoming disagreeable.

I look forward to continued interchange in the future.
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INSKMITHADDICT · White Belt

I see what you are saying, but think for a second here in what you are saying. Now for example if you were to say I dont want to do this kata to a master and go on and tell him why etc. This of coarse would either end up with you doing one or two things alot of sit ups and push ups or being thrown out for not listening to them. From the beginning you are taught to replicate kata by other people with only two choices either do it and stay or dont do it and well go on your way. Most of the time through past experience if you happen to go off coarse in any manner you end up punished. This is my past experience and I am sure other people can relate. A few extra sit ups or push up never hurt anyone but does teach people not to be devine of their own inspiration. Maybe on that Island you can be more individual and do what you want when you want ,but not so much here. I believe in using movements that do something directly with a no beat around the bush type attitude applied. I dont believe any kata what so ever can be applied to any given situation without a bend in its form. You must adapt to that situation and use what is best for the best outcome. This is my view.

Shorin Ryuu · Black Belt

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