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BlueDragon1981
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PostPosted: Sat Jul 06, 2002 10:44 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Just asking. Judo is a type of grappling art that was ment to be a safer way of practicing Jui-jitsu. It is a sport now but does have some very good pricibles that can be helpful. (as do all arts.)
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PostPosted: Sat Jul 06, 2002 11:43 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

If you look within this forum (Grappling MA) you'll notice several threads on judo:
http://www.karateforums.com/forums/viewtopic.php?topic=2462&forum=4
and this one which you might want to refer to...
http://www.karateforums.com/forums/viewtopic.php?topic=1253&forum=4

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PostPosted: Mon Jul 08, 2002 1:40 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

A side-effect of long-term Olympianism perhaps?

I imagine that to young American kids today, "ju jutsu" sounds more like an exotic and effective self defense system, while "judo", which reminds them of "amateur athletes" in the Olympics rolling around on a mat for a gold medal.

Perhaps an unfair assessment, considering the depth of Kano's original system, and the effectiveness it demonstrated against jujutsu.
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PostPosted: Mon Jul 08, 2002 2:27 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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On 2002-07-08 03:40, Taikudo-ka wrote:

Perhaps an unfair assessment, considering the depth of Kano's original system, and the effectiveness it demonstrated against jujutsu.


I think we are forgetting Maedo's sort of misnomer, calling BJJ BJJ instead of South Amerixcan Judo or something, because besically it is a direct descendant, just modified by the Gracies.
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PostPosted: Tue Jul 09, 2002 12:39 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I heard that Kano himself didn't want them calling it Judo. Judo also came out of Jujutsu. I guess he thought they were taking it "back" to a "jutsu" style with what they were doing, rather than following a "modern" budo path. Plus he didn't want anyone else calling their own style "judo", unless they were part of his organization and practised the "official" style.
Hence the Gracie's had no choice but to call it BJJ.

But perhaps that's all part of it, as you say. Certainly the success of BJJ must have rubbed off on "traditional" ju-jutsu schools a bit - just by virtue of the name association.
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