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scohen0300
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PostPosted: Sat Feb 15, 2020 12:12 pm    Post subject: Why should you practice Seisan? Reply with quote

Hello!

I train in Matsubayashi Shorin Ryu, where the kata Seisan is NOT apart of the syllabus. However, my Sensei started teaching it to us a few years back and I forget what his reasoning was. Everybody loves it, myself included.

So my question is, why would someone benefit from including Seisan in their karate practice? Of course Iím going to ask my Sensei, but Iím curious what other points of view you all have to offer.

Thank you![/b]
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Raul Perez
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Styles: Ryukyu Kempo - Oyata Lineage

PostPosted: Sat Feb 15, 2020 5:04 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Iím not sure what version you practice but in Oyataís system Seisan came from Shigeru Nakamura. Nakamura learned from Master Kuniyoshi. The lineage of that Seisan is traced to Ryu Ryu Ko in China associated with whooping crane Chuían Fa. Many of the techniques and concepts translates well to full contact Bogu Kumite of Nakamuraís Okinawa Kenpo.

Hereís the first opening sequence


https://www.instagram.com/p/B7Be8CjJ195/?igshid=ecf962hnxeiw

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Spartacus Maximus
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PostPosted: Sun Feb 16, 2020 7:48 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Only the instructor knows for sure and it wouldnít be wrong to ask him what is expected to be gained from practising that kata, especially since it comes from another systemís curriculum. Every kata has its own main points, intent and even philosophy. Knowing what these are is the beginning of understanding their purpose and a good instructor will be able to explain it thoroughly. This would be a good discussion to have with the instructor or seniors when the time is right.

Aside from this, seisan is practised in Naha-te in much the same way the naihanchi kata are in Shuri-te. One of the main purposes is to develop stability and power generation from the lower half of the body so that it can be used in short striking and blocking techniques.
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PostPosted: Sun Feb 16, 2020 5:22 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Yeah, ask, but imho, who really cares why Seisan was added?!?! Your CI added it, so train in it, and benefit from it because it's a very solid Kata. I've not added many, but I've added Kata to my curriculum that weren't part of Shindokan because I found said Kata to be quite beneficial across the board...and I never explained my reason(s) to do so because, well, who really cares!?! It's my dojo, and I'll modify my curriculum however I want to, especially if it'll benefit my Student Body. That's just me.



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strangepair03
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PostPosted: Sun Feb 16, 2020 11:30 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

In our system Seisan is more of a body tension/breathing kata.
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aurik
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PostPosted: Mon Feb 17, 2020 11:37 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

The kata seisan is not just part of our style, but it is one of the 3 core kata of our style (along with sanchin and sanseiryu). It is a requirement for shodan in Uechi-Ryu, so I figure Iíll start learning it in about 9 months to a year.

You can see one of our instructors performing the Uechi version here : https://youtu.be/5GBXhFRU1Dg
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