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scohen0300
Blue Belt
Joined: 09 Feb 2016
Posts: 259
Location: It varies
Styles: Matsubayashi Shorin Ryu
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Posted: Sat Feb 15, 2020 12:12 pm Post subject: Why should you practice Seisan? |
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Hello!
I train in Matsubayashi Shorin Ryu, where the kata Seisan is NOT apart of the syllabus. However, my Sensei started teaching it to us a few years back and I forget what his reasoning was. Everybody loves it, myself included.
So my question is, why would someone benefit from including Seisan in their karate practice? Of course I’m going to ask my Sensei, but I’m curious what other points of view you all have to offer.
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Raul Perez
White Belt
Joined: 08 Feb 2020
Posts: 5
Location: Long Island, NY
Styles: Ryukyu Kempo - Oyata Lineage
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Posted: Sat Feb 15, 2020 5:04 pm Post subject: |
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I’m not sure what version you practice but in Oyata’s system Seisan came from Shigeru Nakamura. Nakamura learned from Master Kuniyoshi. The lineage of that Seisan is traced to Ryu Ryu Ko in China associated with whooping crane Chu’an Fa. Many of the techniques and concepts translates well to full contact Bogu Kumite of Nakamura’s Okinawa Kenpo.
Here’s the first opening sequence
https://www.instagram.com/p/B7Be8CjJ195/?igshid=ecf962hnxeiw
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Spartacus Maximus
Black Belt
Joined: 01 Jun 2014
Posts: 1902
Styles: Shorin ryu
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Posted: Sun Feb 16, 2020 7:48 am Post subject: |
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Only the instructor knows for sure and it wouldn’t be wrong to ask him what is expected to be gained from practising that kata, especially since it comes from another system’s curriculum. Every kata has its own main points, intent and even philosophy. Knowing what these are is the beginning of understanding their purpose and a good instructor will be able to explain it thoroughly. This would be a good discussion to have with the instructor or seniors when the time is right.
Aside from this, seisan is practised in Naha-te in much the same way the naihanchi kata are in Shuri-te. One of the main purposes is to develop stability and power generation from the lower half of the body so that it can be used in short striking and blocking techniques. |
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sensei8
KF Sensei
Joined: 23 Feb 2008
Posts: 16430
Location: Las Vegas, NV
Styles: Shindokan Saitou-ryu [Shuri-te/Okinawa-te based]
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Posted: Sun Feb 16, 2020 5:22 pm Post subject: |
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Yeah, ask, but imho, who really cares why Seisan was added?!?! Your CI added it, so train in it, and benefit from it because it's a very solid Kata. I've not added many, but I've added Kata to my curriculum that weren't part of Shindokan because I found said Kata to be quite beneficial across the board...and I never explained my reason(s) to do so because, well, who really cares!?! It's my dojo, and I'll modify my curriculum however I want to, especially if it'll benefit my Student Body. That's just me.
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strangepair03
Blue Belt
Joined: 15 Dec 2004
Posts: 312
Location: New Jersey
Styles: Okinawan Shorinji Ryu Karate-Do
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Posted: Sun Feb 16, 2020 11:30 pm Post subject: |
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In our system Seisan is more of a body tension/breathing kata. _________________ A punch should stay like a treasure in the sleeve. It should not be used indiscrimately.
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aurik
KF Sempai
Joined: 08 Nov 2016
Posts: 505
Location: Denver, CO
Styles: Shuri-Ryu, Uechi-Ryu
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Posted: Mon Feb 17, 2020 11:37 pm Post subject: |
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The kata seisan is not just part of our style, but it is one of the 3 core kata of our style (along with sanchin and sanseiryu). It is a requirement for shodan in Uechi-Ryu, so I figure I’ll start learning it in about 9 months to a year.
You can see one of our instructors performing the Uechi version here : https://youtu.be/5GBXhFRU1Dg _________________ My Journey (So Far)
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