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YODA
Black Belt
Joined: 25 Jan 2002
Posts: 1033
Location: England (int'north west)
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Hi there Henry
I assume you're in the UK? (Henly on Thames?). If so I'm afraid your friend is talking utter nonsense. A martial artist has exactly the same rights regarding the use of force as every other citizen - namely the use of "Reasonable Force" as follows...
Section 3 Criminal Law Act 1967
A person may use such force as is reasonable in the circumstances in the prevention of a crime or in affecting or assisting in the lawful arrest of offenders or of persons unlawfully at large.
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Lord Griffin in applying the use of force to the question of self defence
If no more force than is necessary is used to repel the attack such force is not unlawful and no crime is committed. Furthermore, a man about to be attacked does not have to wait for his assailant to strike the first blow or fire the first shot, circumstances may justify a pre-emptive strike.
There is NO requirement to inform an attacker of ANYTHING.
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SuperMinh
Yellow Belt
Joined: 03 Dec 2001
Posts: 71
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Thanks Yoda  .
I was a bit worried about what i've just read.
At least, there's some chance for us to defend ourselves without being jailed...
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YODA
Black Belt
Joined: 25 Jan 2002
Posts: 1033
Location: England (int'north west)
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| Posted: Thu Jan 31, 2002 1:19 am Post subject: |
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Glad you got some benefit SuperMinh.
Here's some more info that you may find usefull...
When can you use force?
• To defend yourself or another
• To defend property
• To prevent an arrestable offence
e.g. theft, criminal damage, serious assaults etc.
When does the force used become unreasonable?
When the threat has ceased to be present. If the person attacking you starts to flee you cannot chase him in order to carry on the fight. The force used must be justifiable and of a reasonable level.
This basically means "would Joe Bloggs on the No. 6 bus think what you did in the circumstances was reasonable?"
Think about it, if things go wrong you will be judged by 12 "Joe Bloggs'" who you have to convince that what you did was acceptable given the circumstances at that time.
The Law can quite easily become your “Second Enemy”. People have been convicted as a result of what they said to the Police afterwards rather than what they did at the time. A few things to ponder...
If posible play to the audience.
Make it very clear to anyone witnessing the assualt that you are the victim. It's all very well being a dynamite martial arts mayhem machine and beating the living snot out of a would be attacker, if the only witness the Police interview says "All I saw was this guy walk up to this other guy and push him. Next thing I knew the pushed guy kicked the crap out of him - all he did was shove him a little!" - The witness may not have seem the guy pull a knife with the other hand as he pushed you, or know, like you do, that this guy has a history of violent assault. Say things like "Hey - what's the problem? I don't want any trouble! Just leave me alone! Put that knife away!"
Think! Before you speak
When the Police arrive make it very clear that...
• You are badly shaken by the experience
• You feared for your safety or that of another
• You tried to avoid the conflict
• You acted in self defence - even if you struck first (and you should!).
Playing the macho hero will get you locked in a cell with as much "macho" for company as you can handle 
I have to say - I cannot take 100% of the credit for supplying this information. Much of it comes via my friend & training partner - who is a serving UK Police Officer.
I could go into a lot more detail about this kinda stuff, Victim Selection, Non Verbal Communication, Offensive Weapons Law etc etc - but i've got to dash off to work.
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[ This Message was edited by: YODA on 2002-01-31 02:20 ]
[ This Message was edited by: YODA on 2002-01-31 02:24 ] |
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Henry South
Yellow Belt
Joined: 02 Dec 2001
Posts: 40
Location: Henley on Thames
Styles: all of the above
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| Posted: Thu Jan 31, 2002 2:12 am Post subject: |
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dear yoda,
i thank you for enlightening me, if you hadnt posted that i would proberly still be walking around clueless! anyway thank you again im sure my class will find that incredablely interesting.
yours sincerly Henry South
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Phantasmatic
Purple Belt
Joined: 21 Dec 2001
Posts: 586
Location: Dunlap, Illinois
Styles: Goju-Ryu, Shorei-Ryu, Shuri-Ryu, Kobudo, Judo, Shin-Kage Ryu
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| Posted: Thu Jan 31, 2002 4:17 am Post subject: |
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Thats rather weird...I have heard similar laws in guarding your home, like if the guy is in your house, you can shoot him but if he is running out of the house you can't. I don't know if that is similar but it is a pretty screwed up law, by the way, I DONT HAVE SCHOOL TODAY!!!!!
Oh yeah, and check my cool sig:
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YODA
Black Belt
Joined: 25 Jan 2002
Posts: 1033
Location: England (int'north west)
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| Posted: Thu Jan 31, 2002 4:50 am Post subject: |
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That sig's gonna get you into trouble 
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kicker
Black Belt
Joined: 17 Sep 2001
Posts: 3649
Location: Canada!!!! (The 5th biggest City)
Styles: kickboxing, muay thai, tennis, lots more.
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| Posted: Thu Jan 31, 2002 4:15 pm Post subject: |
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yes he will as long as he doesn't keep it on there 
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Blade13
Purple Belt
Joined: 23 Aug 2001
Posts: 582
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My mom is a Georgia State Patrol officer and here we are allowed to defend ourselves to the full extent of our potential as soon as someone draws their arm back to hit you! So....If anyone is in Georgia, dont hesitate to defend yourself. NO WARNING NEEDED! Cool huh? lol
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AnonymousOne
Red Belt
Joined: 27 Jan 2002
Posts: 812
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| Posted: Tue Feb 05, 2002 10:09 pm Post subject: |
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In my country you dont have to do that. You whip his * and dont have to apologise.
Cool eh?
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SuperMinh
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Joined: 03 Dec 2001
Posts: 71
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| Posted: Wed Feb 06, 2002 1:31 am Post subject: |
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| Where do you live AnonymousOne ? |
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