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PostPosted: Wed Mar 11, 2009 1:13 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

To add to that, you can see the transition that someone like Brock Lesnar has made to the UFC. Some would say that he hasn't been tested too much yet, but I would say that he has made a successful transition, and he is only going to get better.
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PostPosted: Wed Mar 11, 2009 5:02 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

A buddy of mine has been indy wrestling for 14 years and has a shodan in Japanese jujutsu. Tough dude to be sure. Most of these guys are big, strong, and tough so just on sheer size and toughness alone they would dominate the average MAist.

It doesn't take too much to make a lot of those techniques they use the real deal. Anyone remember Hulk Hogan choking out that geeky guy and getting sued?
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PostPosted: Thu Mar 19, 2009 1:14 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I will concur that these individuals in the WWE, for the most part, are in great shape, and yes, it wouldn't take much to turn the entertainment to reality in a split second. BTW, this happens more often than not. How so? Pro-Wrestlers give one another "receipts" all of the time. A "receipt" is when one wrestler hits another wrestler hard/"stiff" and then the one wrestler that was "stiffed" then, sometime during the match, will hit the other back just as hard/harder.

In the squared circle...stuff happens. Both of their responsibilities are to protect each other. Why? 300 shows a year is why. Do what they do for real and they'd need a extremely large roster on all 3 of their brands.


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PostPosted: Wed Jul 01, 2009 5:13 am    Post subject: It mostly depends... Reply with quote

It would mostly depend on the background of the wrestlers in question. If they were martial arts related then yes it would be difficult.

But you can never question your skill if you're ever need to rely upon it.
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PostPosted: Wed Jul 01, 2009 9:27 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Pro-Wrestiling is preceived assumptions! Could the movements truly hurt? Yes. Would the movements be effective? Yes. Would've, could've, and should've are all possibles.


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PostPosted: Fri May 14, 2010 10:45 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

There's something that no one has mentioned as well. It would depend on the size and strength of the martial artist as well. Take a 250 pound 6'4" pro wrestler and put him in the ring with a 250 6'4" martial arts practitioner who's been practicing for 10-15 years and I think it's going to be a bit more even. Take that martial arts practitioner and replace him with a 150 pound 5'6" person of the same experience and I think the wrestler is going to have a big upper hand. Not saying all martial artists would win even if the size and strength were even, but I think the fight would be a lot more balanced.
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PostPosted: Fri May 21, 2010 7:11 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

sensei8 wrote:
Pro-Wrestling is FAKE and the Martial Arts isn't! By the way, many Pro-Wrestlers have admitted/said that Pro-Wrestling is fake. They've said it in both print/video media...Killer Kowalski was the very first Pro-Wrestler to say so.



Pro wrestling is fake!?


Seriously though, sensei seems to be getting a little defensive here.

Pro wrestling is fake in the sense that the outcome of the match is pre-arranged- everything they do to one another is very real. They are VERY strong, VERY big and VERY good athletes.

They take hits from other guys their size all day long and get up and ask for more. If you're not well over 200 some odd pounds (muscle at that) you're simply not going to drop them with a punch or anything else of that matter. They will grab you and bounce you around the room with one arm.

Pro wrestling has an ancestor in catch wrestling, which is a very real grappling style with very real moves.
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PostPosted: Sat May 29, 2010 11:10 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Seriously though, sensei seems to be getting a little defensive here.

No sir, not at all!

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Pro wrestling is fake in the sense that the outcome of the match is pre-arranged- everything they do to one another is very real. They are VERY strong, VERY big and VERY good athletes.

They take hits from other guys their size all day long and get up and ask for more. If you're not well over 200 some odd pounds (muscle at that) you're simply not going to drop them with a punch or anything else of that matter. They will grab you and bounce you around the room with one arm.

There are two things that discribe fake in pro-wrestling, other than the pre-arranged outcome. Everything that they do is called a "Work". The other thing is called "Stiff", and this is when receipts are given/taken. A working punch is a very light tap. A stiff punch is not a light tap; it's more solid. Yet, a stiff can also be as hard as one desires because it's deliberate for one reason or another.

The written rule is to hit hard when a wrestle is right next to the crowd. Whether a wrestler is right next to the crowd and/or in the ring: Convince the first 3 rows and the entire house believes. Because most wrestlers are big, that's why they "work" each other and the crowd.

For the most part, an entire match is using "working" materials. They protect one another because they've got, especially in the WWE, to wrestle over 300 times a year. One can't wrestle that long, year after year, by being super-stiff. Get a rep that you're always stiff, then you'll not get booked anywhere...ever. Being stiff is fine, when it's required, but, being stiff for no reason(s) will get a wrestler black-balled from the business.



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PostPosted: Thu Jun 03, 2010 8:37 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

sensei8 wrote:
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Seriously though, sensei seems to be getting a little defensive here.

No sir, not at all!

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Pro wrestling is fake in the sense that the outcome of the match is pre-arranged- everything they do to one another is very real. They are VERY strong, VERY big and VERY good athletes.

They take hits from other guys their size all day long and get up and ask for more. If you're not well over 200 some odd pounds (muscle at that) you're simply not going to drop them with a punch or anything else of that matter. They will grab you and bounce you around the room with one arm.

There are two things that discribe fake in pro-wrestling, other than the pre-arranged outcome. Everything that they do is called a "Work". The other thing is called "Stiff", and this is when receipts are given/taken. A working punch is a very light tap. A stiff punch is not a light tap; it's more solid. Yet, a stiff can also be as hard as one desires because it's deliberate for one reason or another.

The written rule is to hit hard when a wrestle is right next to the crowd. Whether a wrestler is right next to the crowd and/or in the ring: Convince the first 3 rows and the entire house believes. Because most wrestlers are big, that's why they "work" each other and the crowd.

For the most part, an entire match is using "working" materials. They protect one another because they've got, especially in the WWE, to wrestle over 300 times a year. One can't wrestle that long, year after year, by being super-stiff. Get a rep that you're always stiff, then you'll not get booked anywhere...ever. Being stiff is fine, when it's required, but, being stiff for no reason(s) will get a wrestler black-balled from the business.




Ok so its fake and these guys arent absolute beasts....

Against a professional fighter, of course I dont think they're doing anything in particular, but a traditional martial artist who does it as a hobby- he'll get manhandled.

To fight a guy that big you're going to have to be in shape and good with your grappling- period.
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PostPosted: Fri Jun 04, 2010 2:49 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Against a professional fighter, of course I dont think they're doing anything in particular, but a traditional martial artist who does it as a hobby- he'll get manhandled.

Manhandled? To me, it seems that you don't think much about traditional martial artists, that's cool, everyone is entitled to their own opinions.


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