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Alan Armstrong
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PostPosted: Sun Jan 08, 2017 3:36 pm    Post subject: Are you teaching Yin Yang concepts? Reply with quote

Are you teaching Yin Yang concepts in class?

How important are Yin Yang concepts in your chosen style?

We in the West have a saying "Every action has an equal or opposite reaction" how do you apply this to martial arts?

"I Ching" The book of changes, is a classic Chinese way of understanding Yin Yang with trigrams and hexagrams. Is this relevant to your martial art style or system?
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PostPosted: Sun Jan 08, 2017 9:20 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

It's not really a Saying Per Se but one of the laws of physics.

However I teach Yin and Yang in a way with students, where they learn to minimize the levels of effort, and instead use your opponents energy against them. Purely because I hate wasting energy when i could be using it for something more fun.
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PostPosted: Sun Jan 08, 2017 10:31 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Nidan Melbourne wrote:
It's not really a Saying Per Se but one of the laws of physics.

However I teach Yin and Yang in a way with students, where they learn to minimize the levels of effort, and instead use your opponents energy against them. Purely because I hate wasting energy when i could be using it for something more fun.

My feelings exactly; solid post!! I'll reference the aspects of Yin and Yang, but my approach to it is more of a passing notion. I understand and believe in its theory, and I speak about it as it might relate to what I'm teaching at that very moment. Other than that, Yin and Yang stays in the recesses of my mind, and not always on the floor.



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PostPosted: Mon Jan 09, 2017 4:07 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I belive that having a great working understanding of Yin Yang concepts can improve any kicking or punching technique making them more efficient and effective.

Not limited to just kicking and punching but all martial art techniques can be enhanced.

The boxer, Mohammed Ali's saying of "float like a butterfly and sting like a bee" is a direct correlation to using Yin Yang concepts in his boxing style.

Human body mechanics combined with Yin Yang concepts is how to make the most out of the least.

Bruce Lee's saying of "Be like water" is about adaptability and change "I Ching" is the book of changes, that is based on Yin Yang understanding.
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PostPosted: Mon Jan 09, 2017 5:05 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I don't teach it. I don't really focus much on it. Its an eastern thing, and I'm a westerner, so I tend to stick to more western approaches.
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PostPosted: Mon Jan 09, 2017 5:35 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

bushido_man96 wrote:
I don't teach it. I don't really focus much on it. Its an eastern thing, and I'm a westerner, so I tend to stick to more western approaches.
Yin Yang isn't Western or Eastern it's Universal and within this realm the laws of nature apply to all of us.

The Yin Yang is symbolic of how balance is a way of attaining harmony.

Bruce Lee used the Yin Yang symbol in his JKD logo; why?

JKD is American and not Eastern.
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PostPosted: Tue Jan 10, 2017 3:20 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Alan Armstrong wrote:
bushido_man96 wrote:
I don't teach it. I don't really focus much on it. Its an eastern thing, and I'm a westerner, so I tend to stick to more western approaches.
Yin Yang isn't Western or Eastern it's Universal and within this realm the laws of nature apply to all of us.

The Yin Yang is symbolic of how balance is a way of attaining harmony.

Bruce Lee used the Yin Yang symbol in his JKD logo; why?

JKD is American and not Eastern.
It is born out of eastern concepts. Do we have similar ideas in the west? Likely we do, but no terminology comes to mind. Perhaps the idea of the "Renaissance Man" is the closest I can think of in Western aspects.
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PostPosted: Tue Jan 10, 2017 3:34 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

bushido_man96 wrote:
Alan Armstrong wrote:
bushido_man96 wrote:
I don't teach it. I don't really focus much on it. Its an eastern thing, and I'm a westerner, so I tend to stick to more western approaches.
Yin Yang isn't Western or Eastern it's Universal and within this realm the laws of nature apply to all of us.

The Yin Yang is symbolic of how balance is a way of attaining harmony.

Bruce Lee used the Yin Yang symbol in his JKD logo; why?

JKD is American and not Eastern.
It is born out of eastern concepts. Do we have similar ideas in the west? Likely we do, but no terminology comes to mind. Perhaps the idea of the "Renaissance Man" is the closest I can think of in Western aspects.
Many Eastern concepts have been incorporated in to the West.

Fire, Earth, Metal, Water, Wood.

We know or have heard about the five elements on how they interact and complement each other.

Chinese martial art styles draw insights from studying there interaction and it is a way to keep things in order.

In ancient China, the five elements were how societies were kept in order, not much different than today. Water Dept, delt with everything related to water and so on for the other four elements, a type of system that could be separate and also interact; in the USA it is called "The Pentagon"

The American railway was built with Chinese labor.

Another idea borrowed from the East and used in the Western Europe was crop rotations.

We in the West owe alot to the East by borrowing from them.

Italian spaghetti is Chinese noodles.

In health care, vaccinations and psychotherapy are Chinese originally.

The Renaissance man is a good description of a balanced person of today that is intelligent and physically fit.

Leonardo Da Vinci as a Renaissance man was heavily involved in developing military weaponry.

The question on the equivalent of Yin Yang for the West is very easy, as we have been borrowing from the East for centuries.

The reason we have needed to borrow insights from the East is because we wiped out all of those insightful people in the West with witch hunts and inquisitions, something the East never endured.

The five elements were considers evil (in the dark ages) in the West, while in the East it was a way to understand and live in harmony with the surrounding world.
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PostPosted: Tue Jan 10, 2017 4:24 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Yin Yang terminology for the West, starting with synonyms and antonyms or Sesame Street favorites such as "Near and far" "High and low" and so on ... Art classes are full of Yin Yang terminology as nothing can be visually described without reference to something else.

Ironies and predictabilities.

Everything contains Yin and Yang this is what keeps everything simultaneously together and apart.

Opposites attract.

Relationships that are both Yin or both Yang cannot produce or reproduce or contribute in the Yin Yang cycle naturally or harmoniously most of the time but with all things exceptions do happen.

Pessimists need optimists as one cannot be defined without the other.

The Chinese character for disaster is the same character for opportunity.

"Birds of a feather stick together" as with people that congregate that have similar interests; such as here on KF.Com.

"The best defence is a good offence" As the solution is part of the problem.

"Hair of the dog" As another alcoholic drink will cure a hangover, that was originally caused by drinking to much alcohol.

Murphy's Law is full of life's ironic Yin Yang twists of fate "If anything can go wrong it will"

There is no escaping this world of Yin Yang on this planet, like it or not; in contrast with the movie "Avitar" with floating mountings isn't apart of our world but there was a very strong connection with the original inhabitants with the land, plants and animals, something we could all be more like and mindful of, as we go about our Yin Yang daily lives.
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