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Treebranch
Black Belt
Joined: 21 Mar 2003
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Location: Glendale, California USA
Styles: Budo Taijutsu, Boxing,Lars Wallin BJJ, Machado Brazilian Jiu-Jitsu, Kung Fu San Soo, Lima Lama, Taekwondo
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Any of you JJ practioners ever here the term Taijutsu from your teacher?
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Kyle-san
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Joined: 09 Sep 2002
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Location: Brandon, Manitoba
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| Posted: Tue Aug 05, 2003 6:36 pm Post subject: |
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| Treebranch wrote: |
| Any of you JJ practioners ever here the term Taijutsu from your teacher? |
No, I hadn't heard that term until reading it here on the forums.
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Kirves
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| Posted: Tue Aug 05, 2003 11:40 pm Post subject: |
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Check out http://www.koryu.com/ . It has both, an article about it (link: http://www.koryu.com/library/mskoss8.html ), and also a ryu-ha list. Check out the different ryu-ha from the list and you'll notice that many of them use 'taijutsu' to categorize their unarmed system (example: http://www.koryu.com/guide/shingan.html ). And see any aikido books (or check this out: http://members.tripod.com/~jalrnc/aikido/info-i.html ). Aikido uses 'taijutsu' to distinquish the unarmed techniques from the weapons techniques. Also, notice that none of the nine arts that Bujinkan is based on is called taijutsu, yet the combination of them is...
And here's one more link: http://www.hyrusa.com/history.html The link explains the history of Hontai Yoshin-Ryu Jujutsu and if you read carefully, you'll see that taijutsu has been used there too, quite synonymously. First it is used so that the art is previously called jujutsu, then it is renamed to another ryu and it is called taijutsu, then again it is renamed to another ryu and it becomes jujutsu by name again. Then later taijutsu as a term is used to refer to the unarmed methods as compared to the weapons stuff (taijutsu=unarmed, bojutsu=stick fighting, naginatajutsu=halberd fighting and so on):
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| Engaging in series of matches (taryu jiai), it was decided that Gennoshin's taijutsu was the better, while Kihei's Kukishin Ryu staff fighting was superior to Gennoshin's. Gennoshin invited Kihei to stay at his dojo and instruct, and, from that time forward, the taijutsu of Hontai Yoshin Ryu Takagi Ryu and the bojutsu, sojutsu, and naginatajutsu of Kukishin Ryu were taught together as one system [= Hontai Yoshin-Ryu Jujutsu]. |
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Tibby
Purple Belt
Joined: 04 Jun 2003
Posts: 597
Location: Jacksonville, Tx
Styles: JuJutsu(Judo), Isshinryu Karate, Boxing, Fencing
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| Posted: Tue Aug 05, 2003 11:54 pm Post subject: |
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| Kyle-san wrote: |
| Treebranch wrote: |
| Any of you JJ practioners ever here the term Taijutsu from your teacher? |
No, I hadn't heard that term until reading it here on the forums. |
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SevenStar
Black Belt
Joined: 09 Apr 2003
Posts: 2631
Location: TN
Styles: bjj, judo, shuai chiao, muay thai
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| Posted: Wed Aug 06, 2003 12:16 am Post subject: |
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| doesn't taijutsu translate to "body art"? It seems as it would be a generic term for unarmed combat, not necessarily specific to ninjutsu. |
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Kirves
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| Posted: Wed Aug 06, 2003 12:21 am Post subject: |
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| Exactly! It has nothing specifically to do with ninjutsu. It was a broad term used to categorize fighting arts. It was used quite synonymously with terms like jujutsu, yawara and so on. All ninjas studied fighting arts, so they studied taijutsu/jujutsu/whatever_you_call_it. Morihei Ueshiba decided to call the unarmed stuff in his art taijutsu. Masaaki Hatsumi decided to call the body moving mechanics of his art taijutsu. Many koryu bujutsu ryuha use the term taijutsu interchangeably with jujutsu. It is just a broad term that doesn't mean any specific art in Japanese, it just means "body method" and is used quite synonymously with many other terms. |
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Treebranch
Black Belt
Joined: 21 Mar 2003
Posts: 2279
Location: Glendale, California USA
Styles: Budo Taijutsu, Boxing,Lars Wallin BJJ, Machado Brazilian Jiu-Jitsu, Kung Fu San Soo, Lima Lama, Taekwondo
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Thanks for all the info Kirves. So basically I'm learning Jujutsu with some Ninjutsu.
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Bdaze
Orange Belt
Joined: 15 Aug 2003
Posts: 156
Location: Manchester NH, US
Styles: Parker Kempo, Budo taijitsu. Kenjutsu
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i study in Taijitsu. there where originally 9 schools of taijitsu. 6 of which formed the style known as Jujitsu and 3 of them formed ninjitsu.
Taijitsu encompasses all teachings of the 9 schools. this includes elements from ninjitsu and jujitsu.
i hope that helps to clarrify
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Treebranch
Black Belt
Joined: 21 Mar 2003
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Location: Glendale, California USA
Styles: Budo Taijutsu, Boxing,Lars Wallin BJJ, Machado Brazilian Jiu-Jitsu, Kung Fu San Soo, Lima Lama, Taekwondo
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Yes, I too study Budo Taijutsu. But I am not a Ninja.
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on the post.
