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PostPosted: Wed Sep 28, 2005 7:17 pm    Post subject: Poekoelan Chuan Fa Reply with quote

Does anyone here study Poekoelan. I study Tjimindi Teii, but I am aware of other systems. It's not purely Chinese... but this is the closest forum I could find.

If there are... with whom do you study? What system do you study? Do you have any interesting stories. Because of the sad past of the art within the US, few schools speak highly of one another. I would like to work to get past this barrier.

Thank you.
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PostPosted: Wed Sep 28, 2005 10:51 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I never heard of this style...can you tell me about it?
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PostPosted: Wed Sep 28, 2005 11:13 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

lol, the first time i read that, i thought he wrote Pokemon.
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PostPosted: Wed Sep 28, 2005 11:54 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

White Warlock wrote:
lol, the first time i read that, i thought he wrote Pokemon.


So did I
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PostPosted: Thu Sep 29, 2005 12:27 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Poekoelan, also spelled "pukulan," like Kung Fu, is just a general referance to Indonesian systems of combat art. However, Poekoelan Tjimindi Teii, is a combination of Southern Chinese animal forms and those animal forms that already existed in the Indonesian system.

The animal forms studied in the Tjimindi (Cimande) system of Poekoelan are Crane (Blecock), Snake (Oler), Monkey (monjet), Tiger (Harimau & Matjenin)), and Dragon(naga).

The animal forms studied in Teii are Mantis, Cobra, and Bear.

The system was brought to America (western PA) by Mas Guru Willy Wetzel. He was an amazing instructor who taught many students. There is, however, discrepancy over how many experts he trained. It is impossible to know as he, tragically, died at the hands of his Son. Offically the courts ruled it self defense. However, there was an unsurmountable rift created by the students of each.

That's all I am prepared to say about the rift in an open forum setting. There are two reasons for this. The number one reason is that I wasn't even alive when all of this happened. Therefore, it is not my place to blame either party or take sides. I just know it was a terrible tragedy. It is my goal to find some of the remaining Poekoelan masters and work to mend the rift. The first step is simple communication. The heart of the art is too beautiful to retain such an ugly scar.

You may notice some spelling differances. This is due to the differance in using Dutch vs. Indonesian spelling. The third site is from a series of schools that stem from the teachings of Mas Guru (Goeroe) Barb Niggle. She is highly influential in the history of Poekoelan in America as she was the highest ranking student of the art when Guru Wetzel died.

http://www.pukulan.net/
http://www2.1st.net/kingdrgn/
http://www.poekoelan.com/

If you have any more questions about the art, please feel free to ask.
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PostPosted: Thu Sep 29, 2005 1:34 am    Post subject: ~!~ Reply with quote

Sorry,
Never heard of this style before.

See some pic and movement, I think that is
more likely to be Indonesia martial art though
I would not deny if there is any exchange of
system during its creation
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PostPosted: Thu Sep 29, 2005 9:42 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

sounds interesting..sorry to hear about the death Mas guru Willy Wetzel.Does his son teach the art?
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PostPosted: Thu Sep 29, 2005 3:12 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Well, from the few videos i was able to examine, i'm not impressed by this art. A lot of 'bad' principles are being encouraged.
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PostPosted: Thu Sep 29, 2005 10:14 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Well, from the few videos i was able to examine, i'm not impressed by this art. A lot of 'bad' principles are being encouraged.


what are the bad principles of the system?
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PostPosted: Fri Sep 30, 2005 3:49 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Look at some of these videos and you decide.

http://www.pukulan.net/Multimedia.html
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