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SaiFightsMS
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Posted: Sun Jun 09, 2002 7:42 pm Post subject: |
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I am seeing more and more posts on things like makiwari training and then posts on how important the hands are for our modern occupations doing things like working on keyboards. Should some of the time honored training methods be evolveing more to fit todays needs? What specifically should we be looking at? Are there reasonable substitutes for the "old ways"?
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Knuth
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Location: The land of the free.
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Posted: Sun Jun 09, 2002 8:55 pm Post subject: |
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Punch the keyboard harder .
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G95champ
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Location: Gilbert WV, USA
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Posted: Sun Jun 09, 2002 11:30 pm Post subject: |
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Nothing will ever replace the old ways LOL.
The one thing I am seeing more and more of is training without the gi. We often train in shorts and t-shirts and a lot of people are wearing shoes now.
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Ti-Kwon-Leap
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Location: Portland, Or
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Posted: Mon Jun 10, 2002 12:18 am Post subject: |
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Quote: "Are there reasonable substitutes for the "old ways"? "
In today's society, there is no reasonable need for turning your fists into the equivalent of tree stumps.
Either learn to use your hands on vulnerable targets or buy some brass knuckles so you can knock peoples brains out and still retain your valuable skills as a concert pianist.
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ckdstudent
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Posted: Mon Jun 10, 2002 2:54 am Post subject: |
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Of course training methods should evolve along with society, otherwise they become redundant. It would be like writing two hundred letters by hand because it was more traditional that using a photocopier.
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KickChick
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Posted: Mon Jun 10, 2002 8:32 am Post subject: |
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hmmm.... never thought about it in that way.
But what happens when the photocopier breaksdown
You go back to doing things the "old-fashioned" way ... but only in moderation!! Maybe you end up writing 50 letters a day by hand rather than all 250 in one day!
Like I always say here .... "Moderation is key!"
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shotochem
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Joined: 29 Dec 2001
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Location: New York
Styles: Shotokan, Kempo, BJJ, Baby-Do-Jitsu
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Posted: Mon Jun 10, 2002 10:34 am Post subject: |
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I believe there is nothing wrong with modifing a technique for practical modern day use. If it is in kata or kihon I would say do it the traditional way. Would anyone seriously consider using a spear hand strike to any part of the torso? We are not in feudal Japan its just not smart to use certain techniques for real applications. As for conditioning the knuckles, in todays society we are not warriors fighting wars with our bare hands. If we were to be attacked I believe most of us could handle sore hands for a couple of days instead of severe arthritis for a life time....
Sometimes we just take ourselves too seriously......
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ckdstudent
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Posted: Mon Jun 10, 2002 4:56 pm Post subject: |
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Nah, you take the letter to Xerox round the corner.
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Singularity
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Location: USA
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Posted: Mon Jun 10, 2002 5:31 pm Post subject: |
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I do agree for the most part, moderation is always the key. I do a little makiwara, but I never get too extreme. Saifight, it depends on which "old ways" you are referring to. Some aren't all that bad.
Anyways, hey Shotochem, looking at the flip side of your last statement: Some would rather condition their hands so they aren't broken and damaged for life with one punch.
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G95champ
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Location: Gilbert WV, USA
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Posted: Mon Jun 10, 2002 9:37 pm Post subject: |
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Sai when in Rome do as the Romans do. LOL.....
Nothing wrong with using the photocopyer but never forget how to write because one day the power may go out. Thus never throw away you pencil and paper. We must always pass on the old knowledge because like I said one day the power may go out. However as long as its on make the best of it.
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