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 Posted: Sun Oct 10, 2004 6:20 am Post subject: Anyone do TFT? |
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| Anyone who reads Black Belt Magazine will surely know what Tim Larkin's Target Focus Training is. Basically, it it is a reality system that deals with striking specific targets on the human body in order to destroy your opponent. I've been getting the newsletter, and some of it is totally advertising, but I really agree with some of the principles. So I'm asking, did anyone ever do TFt? What do you think? |
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battousai16
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| Posted: Sun Oct 10, 2004 11:34 am Post subject: |
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...sounds like "simple" pressure point fighting to me... dim mak-ish stuff... perhaps i'm mistaken?
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I got some ocean front property for sale in nevada 
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Shorinryu Sensei
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| Posted: Mon Oct 11, 2004 3:17 pm Post subject: Re: Anyone do TFT? |
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| Anyone who reads Black Belt Magazine will surely know what Tim Larkin's Target Focus Training is. Basically, it it is a reality system that deals with striking specific targets on the human body in order to destroy your opponent. I've been getting the newsletter, and some of it is totally advertising, but I really agree with some of the principles. So I'm asking, did anyone ever do TFt? What do you think? |
I gave up reading Black Belt TRASH Mag years ago during the ninja craze. Just to much junk and * in there for me to stand month after month...so anyway, no I haven't seen the articles.
However, any good system should be basically teaching the same thing. Using specific weapons on your body to attack specific points to the body. For example, the big toe of my foot (and that's a might BIG big toe too!) to attack the nerves of the inside of the thigh. Is that the sort of thing you're talking about? If so...it's not a new concept. |
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Vito
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youd be better off boxing
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| Well, I think TFT is more about striking, not pressure points, and is based almost totally on hitting your target without so much regard about how yoy hit. |
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Shorinryu Sensei
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| Prospector wrote: |
| Well, I think TFT is more about striking, not pressure points, and is based almost totally on hitting your target without so much regard about how yoy hit. |
I'm talking about striking also. But tio specific parts of the body, as this guy is saying, and using specific "weapons" to strike them with. You have to regard "how you hit" something, or it could be totally ineffective.
For example..a roundhouse kick to the inner thigh smarts and will make them flinch...but a front snap kick to the same area can disable the leg. |
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| Well, I guess I don't know much about the specifics of TFT, I guess thats why I made this post. NO ONE has ever seen on of his videos or taken a class? |
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Rich67
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I posted a similar question after seeing Tim's ad in Grappling magazine. Upon visiting his website, I noted he pimps himself out to law enforcement and military personel under the guise of a two day program valued at serious bucks!!! This guy claims to have many credentials, one of which is his having to drop out of SEAL training due to an injury. I take claims like this with a grain of salt. As far as the mindset and tactics he pushes, it is along the lines of Kung Fu San Soo training. Target Focus essentially translates to learning about vital areas to strike to cause maximum pain and debilitation during a street encounter. He teaches an "offense" style, and suggests that a violent attack in response to another violent attack will overwhelm the aggressor, and win the fight. All fine and dandy, but there is NO WAY you can attend his one day seminar and be a born killer with NO M/A experience. If you are at all interested in a similar methodology of training (target and offensive attack training) I suggest you look into KF San Soo.
http://www.jadedragon.com/archives/martarts/kfsansoo.html
http://www.martialway.com/arts/kungfu/san_soo/san_soo.htm
http://www.kungfusandiego.com/san_soo.htm
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Shorinryu Sensei
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There is a Kung Fu San Saoo dojo here locally. Total emphasis is on pure aggression...ATTACK ATTACK!!!..and none at all on defense...per their 8th Dan instructor.
Personally, I don't like it much and feel anybody with a good defense and counter fighting abilities would wipe the floor with them given a "fair" fight. Fair being defined as squared off with them and seeing it coming...not being blind sided or surprised.
*edit after reading those 3 links*
Checking out those 3 sites you linked...this is a quote from the 3rd site:
"It is highly aggressive and offensive in nature. San Soo does not bother teaching “defensive” techniques. The San Soo fighter is trained to be in control under any circumstance."
I had the opportunity to work with a 3rd Dan from the local school fotr about an hour after one of my normal classes was over. He was a silent observer during the class and did not identify himself as being from the local San Soo school until I talked to him after class. Since I had observed his instructors class many times over the years, and watched numerous demonstrations of theirs, I was fairly familer with their philosophy and methods of attacking. We talked nicely for a while about our different approaches to fighting, and neither could convice the other they were right...which is OK with me. I asked him if he wouldn't mind attacking me so that I could show him what I was trying to verbally describe to him. He was more than willing.
Basically, I stood in front of him, feet about 1 1/2 feet apart with my hands facing him palm outwards. It is a very non-threatening stance that we use in the more advanced levels for self-defense purposes. I told him to attack when ready. He assumed a boxer-type stance..and lunged at me with a hard punch. I sidestepped (change of body) and nailed him lightly (pulled it) in the temple as he came in, then followed up with a nice (and knee safe) kick behind his knee that put him on the ground.
Basically, I moved my body out of his way as he attacked, struck him using the force of my punch and body shifting and his own momentum against him. If I hadn't have pulled my punch to his temple, I'm quite sure I could have knocked him out...or at least to the point I could have walked away safely.
He was not amused by my demonstration, and wanted to do it again. I said there was no point in it, as I had proven my point, and he would be more wary the next time, so the results would possibly have been different.
My opinion...for what it's worth.[/i]
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