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tallgeese
Black Belt
Joined: 04 May 2008
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Location: McHenry County, IL
Styles: Brazilian Jiu Jitsu, Bujin Bugei Jutsu, Gokei Ryu Kempo Jutsu, MMA, Shootfighting, boxing, kickboxing, JKD, Pekiti Tersia Kali
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 Posted: Sun Sep 13, 2015 5:12 pm Post subject: Bottom Side Escape Comparison |
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This past week we looked at escape from bottom side thru the lens of recovering guard. As we moved into the latter portions of the week we looked at unexpected methods to do this. While we shot our weekly footage, one of our affiliate Brown Belts with a strong wrestling background was over and we did this little compare and contrast video:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-F9MfNEUTBo
So, take a look at the two techniques. Tell me what overarching principles you see displayed. What differences drive options in each? Any observations?
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sensei8
KF Sensei
Joined: 23 Feb 2008
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Location: Las Vegas, NV
Styles: Shindokan Saitou-ryu [Shuri-te/Okinawa-te based]
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| Posted: Mon Sep 21, 2015 9:36 pm Post subject: |
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Nice tutorial, Alex!!
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| Tell me what overarching principles you see displayed. |
Personally, I don't see any overarching principles. I see necessary arching principles to achieve there separate goals.
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| What differences drive options in each? |
One is to initiate an escape to gain working orientation, while the other resets into a more favorable position after the escape.
I immediately observed the sensitivity of both in the initial approaches to fuel the escape, and that was that either of them ran the risk, and a sensible risk, of having the movements stalled immediately, therefore, the initial plan for either escape might've been foiled.
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tallgeese
Black Belt
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Location: McHenry County, IL
Styles: Brazilian Jiu Jitsu, Bujin Bugei Jutsu, Gokei Ryu Kempo Jutsu, MMA, Shootfighting, boxing, kickboxing, JKD, Pekiti Tersia Kali
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| Posted: Thu Sep 24, 2015 1:28 pm Post subject: |
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| sensei8 wrote: |
Nice tutorial, Alex!!
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| Tell me what overarching principles you see displayed. |
Personally, I don't see any overarching principles. I see necessary arching principles to achieve there separate goals.
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| What differences drive options in each? |
One is to initiate an escape to gain working orientation, while the other resets into a more favorable position after the escape.
I immediately observed the sensitivity of both in the initial approaches to fuel the escape, and that was that either of them ran the risk, and a sensible risk, of having the movements stalled immediately, therefore, the initial plan for either escape might've been foiled.
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I think there are some commonalities. Regardless of direction of escape, the ability to turn one's hips is critical. It's one of those things in jiu jitsu that is almost universal, the ability to move the hips into an advantageous posture.
I'd agree wholeheartedly with you assessment on the differences and observations of them.
Very nice.
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sensei8
KF Sensei
Joined: 23 Feb 2008
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Location: Las Vegas, NV
Styles: Shindokan Saitou-ryu [Shuri-te/Okinawa-te based]
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| Posted: Thu Sep 24, 2015 1:40 pm Post subject: |
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| tallgeese wrote: |
| sensei8 wrote: |
Nice tutorial, Alex!!
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| Tell me what overarching principles you see displayed. |
Personally, I don't see any overarching principles. I see necessary arching principles to achieve there separate goals.
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| What differences drive options in each? |
One is to initiate an escape to gain working orientation, while the other resets into a more favorable position after the escape.
I immediately observed the sensitivity of both in the initial approaches to fuel the escape, and that was that either of them ran the risk, and a sensible risk, of having the movements stalled immediately, therefore, the initial plan for either escape might've been foiled.
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I think there are some commonalities. Regardless of direction of escape, the ability to turn one's hips is critical. It's one of those things in jiu jitsu that is almost universal, the ability to move the hips into an advantageous posture.
I'd agree wholeheartedly with you assessment on the differences and observations of them.
Very nice. |
Hips fuel so much in the MA, no matter the style! No hips...no success!!
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pittbullJudoka
Black Belt
Joined: 25 Jun 2004
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Location: Tennessee
Styles: Ryu Kyu Kempo,Wrestling,Brazilian Jiu Jitsu
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| Nice Alex, ITs Always good to have options. with me personally I would use either depending on the pressure I feel from the person on top. Also the first technique could cause a scramble type situation which I'm comfortable with. Each move has it's place. Thanks for sharing. |
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