JKD school differences

bludhall · White Belt

I just recently re started my JUn fan / JDK training after many years off.
Both the teacher I had and the Teacher i have now are trained by Inosanto.

We trained in a small warehouse and freely mixed all the elements of the JKD curriculum, junfan, savate, muay thai, kali/escrima, silat,etc.
No belts and long classes with hard training, in a relaxed atmosphere.

Now the class I am in has a karate like belt system, in a tight karate style atmosphere and those damn pyjama pants, they even yell karate style.

Worse yet they dole out the training in tiny driblets, and it is forbidden for lower ranked students to watch the higher level classes.

Even worse yet they have managed to shove some karate style kicking in there, most especially the step sideways, backstep sidekick. Which just horrifies me with its wasted motion.

All this is very strange to me and I wonder if this is becoming the way of the JKD school system on the inosanto side or if this is some aberation being the expression of a teacher with too many years in karate or something?

When we trained we did 3 hours, with at least an hour on trapping or knife.
now We do 1 hour classes now and maybe 10 mins of trapping. Trapping can not be learned in short bursts like that

Oh yeah i forgot the contracts stuff and the whole way they first dealt with us, total karate school tactics.
My instinct screamed to run, but i kept telling myself, this man is Inosanto trained.

Perhaps i was just too used to my old teacher style of teaching and training.

I am half expecting to be given a ninja mask and some tabi to work out in next :smile:

[ This Message was edited by: bludhall on 2002-03-21 08:13 ]

YODA · Black Belt

Sounds like this needs checking out. Who is this school run by? Send it to me privately if you wish & I'll check it out for you.

Oh - and it's Guro Inosanto - or at least Mr Inosanto.

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three60roundhouse · Pre-Black Belt

Just becasue someone was trained by the best doesn't mean that they give the best training.

bludhall · White Belt

Yes you are right its Guru Inosanto

and no i won't be sending you the name of the school, just wanted to see if anyone out there is seeing JKD schools like this.

I still have to respect the guy for being taught by Guru Inosanto, he just has a different idea of martial arts training than i am used to i guess.

YODA · Black Belt

Ok - but I too have alarms bells ringing at what you describe!

Guro Inosanto

Not Guru

Are you sure he has been taught by Guro Inosanto? Seems very odd. I know of some who claim to represent the IAMA but actually have just attended a bunch of seminars!

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ad · Brown Belt

it amazes me how some of you have contacts with the great Guru Inosanto, you lot are truly fourtuate, if he is making seminars in the uk, please let me know

bludhall · White Belt

Well iregardless of whether someone is taught in a seminar environment or at the California school, being certified is being certified.

Also i KNOW he is an old student of Guro Inosanto and my old teacher trained with this man.
I am sure he has the knowledge i just think he is expressing his teaching of JKD in a karate like way.

YODA · Black Belt

Ad - Guro Inosanto will be in London on July 6th and 7th. £100 for both days or £55 for one day.

See you there?

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[ This Message was edited by: YODA on 2002-03-22 10:31 ]

Iron Arahat · Red Belt

YODA stated "Seems very odd. I know of some who claim to represent the IAMA but actually have just attended a bunch of seminars!"

bludhall wrote "whether someone is taught in a seminar environment or at the California school, being certified is being certified"

Personally seminars are great for information, but not to train instructors, it's just a cash cow, or a band aid method:

Paul Vunak offers "Semi-private Personal Training/Instructorship Program. Each semi-private group will have up to a maximum of eight students. (On many occasions, there will be less than eight in the group!!) These programs will be taught by Paul and one or more of his top PFS trained and certified instructors; so each student is guaranteed plenty of personal attention! For those of you who want to split the cost of the personal training program, but can't find suitable partners, this is a great option! The cost of the two-day semi-private training program is $475.00 per person. (Covers both days!) " ...and WOW YOU CAN BE CERTIFIED TO TEACH AFTER THIS!!!!

I would personally feel uncomforable "certifying" someone I see once a year for a weeked, or less.

I know in law enforcement they send you on a weekend course to become an instructor sometimes and it's bunk! Same with martial arts. The retention during a weekend training camp is little, you will make mistakes, and who is there to correct them.

Go to seminars to expand your own personal base, not to become a "certified instructor".

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YODA · Black Belt

Couldn't have said it better myself

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