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Beer-monster
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Joined: 07 Mar 2003
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Location: Hull and Lboro England
Styles: Karate/Ju-jitsu
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You must have worked something out that I haven't or are doing a weird style, coz the two are arts are a lot harder to reconcile thta that.
Whats your plan.
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telsun
Green Belt
Joined: 28 Jun 2003
Posts: 452
Location: Kent, England
Styles: Okinawan Goju-ryu, Ju-jitsu
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| Posted: Wed Jul 02, 2003 6:12 am Post subject: |
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Well beer-monster. Obviously I do not chuck everything in. I have never done a hip toss on anyone at karate and rarely do I get the opportunity to do any groundwork. But the locks, sweeps, straggles, etc are easily adapted to my karate training. 
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Beer-monster
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| Posted: Wed Jul 02, 2003 9:46 am Post subject: |
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How?
The essence of jiu-jitsu is a sense of flow, the key to using jiu-jitsu technqiues is to catch your enemies momentum and rtedirect it into the technique.
Karate tries to end the fight with a series of hard pwerful attacks, to weak parts. This would interupt the flow required for JJ.
There is more to jiu-jitsu than locks and sweeps, and doing those techniques in karate would be using jiu-jitsu in a karate lesson, not using a true mix.
I'm not being picky or trying to diss you. Its just I've thought of this a lot and a true blend of styles (any styles) is a hard thing to form. But I keep trying.
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telsun
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Location: Kent, England
Styles: Okinawan Goju-ryu, Ju-jitsu
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| Posted: Wed Jul 02, 2003 11:15 am Post subject: |
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Hey beer-monster. Diss you may because I surely deserve to be 
As you say it is more accurate to say that I use JJ techniques in my karate lesson.
Although we do try to redirect the blow rather than meet it head on. This I believe is the essence of the soft side of our style. We do not always finish our opponenets by striking them. Looking at our bunkai there are quite a few locks involved so introducing them to sparring is something that is expected from us. Sensei also likes us to finish the fight with our opponent on the floor. The other thing I like to do is lock the opponent up then strike him to finish.
Also please bare in mind I am a relative beginner to JJ.
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DokterVet
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Joined: 05 Aug 2002
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Location: Ontario, Canada
Styles: Shootwrestling
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| Posted: Wed Jul 02, 2003 12:07 pm Post subject: |
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Beer-monster,
one of the four main styles of japanese karate, Wado-ryu, was founded by a Hironori Otsuka, a grandmaster of jujitsu, who studied karate under Gichin Funakoshi.
Wado-ryu includes sweeps, locks, takedowns and redirection. It is essentially a hybrid of jujitsu and shotokan karate.
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Beer-monster
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| Posted: Wed Jul 02, 2003 12:09 pm Post subject: |
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I'm not an expert myself, I hope to blend the styles myself but it will take some time.
The method of fighting you describe seems to be more consistent with karate than jiu-jitsu. But perhaps I'm drawing too many borders, there are many overlaps and so what may look to be jiu-jitsu is found in karate. Where does one end and one begin.
Perhaps we are pover-analysing it and should just fight using whichever technqiues that come through instinct. Less fun though, but probably better
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Beer-monster
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| Posted: Wed Jul 02, 2003 12:19 pm Post subject: |
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I study Wado-ryu and it have see very little influence of the jiu-jitsu motions. There is some moderate taisabaki but it seems cumbersome and flawed compared to what we learn in JJ (a flick of the back foot and a shift of the body, not the sweeping steps which pull a person of balance or use of the hikite which is found in kata).
Hironori Otsuka studied a form of jiu-jitsu that concentrated on atemi waza (striking techniques), and so was easier to adaptr into karate. From what I have seen and experinced Wado-ryu is a softer karate but not a JJ/Karate blend.
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DokterVet
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| Posted: Wed Jul 02, 2003 12:48 pm Post subject: |
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Fair enough.
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Beer-monster
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| Posted: Wed Jul 02, 2003 1:08 pm Post subject: |
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Not that its a bad style though!
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major_motoko
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Joined: 09 Jun 2003
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Location: London, United Kingdom
Styles: Wado-Ryu Karate. Kobudo, Iaido
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| I study Wado-ryu and it have see very little influence of the jiu-jitsu motions |
I also study Wado. It's interesting that a Jiu-jitsuka (is that the correct term?) does not consider the JJ influences in Wado to be real JJ, as I always thought it was. But then, I haven't trained in pure JJ
It is true that Ohtsuka Sensei's style of Jiu-jitsu, Shindo Yoshin Ryu, did specialise in kicking and punching, but Ohtsuka also studied other styles of JJ.
But there is more JJ to Wado than taisabaki. The only thing I can say is that a lot of the JJ moves in Wado are not studied in depth until you get to high grades. In the low Kyu grades generally only basic taisabaki and some throws are studied, as far as I have seen.
I would really like to study Jiu-jitsu in more depth tho! It is a fantastic art IMHO 
osu,
motoko
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