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Eye of the Tiger
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 Posted: Wed Sep 25, 2002 12:21 pm Post subject: Kung Fu vs Karate |
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What is the basic difference between karate and the chinese Martial Arts? I have been told that the Chinese emphasis is on building power by movement in a continuous arc while karate uses focus or Kime. Is this true? Any input would be great.
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Xtreme Fury
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| Posted: Wed Sep 25, 2002 5:43 pm Post subject: |
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I think kung fu is generally more circular while karate is more linear(other then enshin and ashihara karate). Some chinese martial arts mimic animal movements which kinda looks funny  , they have reeeaallly low stances, which again, looks funny(but as long as it trains leg strength i guess it doesnt matter).
that's all i can think of. Oh yeah.. in karate you have gi's and belts, kung fu usually has those shiny clothes and sashes.  |
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JerryLove
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| Posted: Thu Sep 26, 2002 9:26 am Post subject: |
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Until you look at uprigh arts like Bagua, Wing-Chung, Hsing-I, etc. And liniar arts (WC and Hsing-I come again to mind).
There are many hundreds (thousands?) of arts called "Kung-fu", there are at least dozens of "Karate".
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Jade_Lotus
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| Posted: Thu Sep 26, 2002 10:55 am Post subject: |
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"Kung-fu" in chinese, literally means "skill", and "Karate" in japanese means "hand or empy hand" So one must use a specific, for example "I study Wing Chun Kung-fu" Meaning I study wing chun skill, or skill of wing chun. The same is applied for Karate.."I study Goju Ryu Karate" Meaning, I study Hand of or Empty hand of 50 Dragon. So, when one wishes to compare japanese and chinese specifcally, "kung-fu" or "karate". You need to be specifc.
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inyctrotter
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| Posted: Thu Sep 26, 2002 1:40 pm Post subject: |
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| Kung fu in Chinese means hard work... |
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JerryLove
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www.m-w.com
Main Entry: kung fu
Pronunciation: "k&[ng]-'fü, "ku[ng]-
Function: noun
Etymology: Chinese (Beijing) gOngfu skill, art
"If we refer to any chinese dictionary, we will find that the term Kung Fu (gong fu in pin yin¹) means (a) dexterity/skill, (b) art and (c) time.
Kung Fu means perfection and deep knowledge on any subject. Thus for example, if somebody is an excellent calligrapher or dancer, then we can say that "he has kung fu" in calligraphy or dancing.
Nevertheless, the term Kung Fu does not mean skill that is acquired from specialization - on the contrary, it refers to deep and complete knowledge of the subject and includes not only the present condition, but the whole period of time and the course through which one managed to reach the top." - http://www.eagleclaw.gr/en/articlew1.htm
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Jade_Lotus
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I gave a quick and simple definition. I said it means "skill". Am I wrong?? I didn't go into detail, you don't have to go into detail. Is there any other meaning to skill other then proficiency of any number of things? You have defined skill, your definition is right, and so is mine. To me there is no other definition to the word "skill" It is what you said, and I have said. I never said that kung-fu, is skill acquired from specialization, if you take time to read my post, I've said nothing contrary to what you have said. I don't know where you get your difference from. By your own definition, you only support what I said. I see no difference.
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JerryLove
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Actually, I was supporting your definition. You and inyctrotter seemed to be disagreeing (though you are both correct), so I elaborated to clarify. I'm sorry you seem to have taken it as an attack.
My statement could have been interpreted as simply an answer to the question. It could have been interpreted as support of your statement. It could have been interpreted as a disagreement with inyctrotter (though he's not wrong). But you decided to take it as some sort of criticism on your post (which I never mentioned or alluded to). I don't understand why you would choose to invent the worst-possible case for yourself and then assume it's true.
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kenpo4life
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Jade,
you are translating goju incorrectly. GOju is a corruption of the two words in japanese that mean hard and soft. So actually it refers to both the hard and soft nature of the style. I could go into more detail if you like later.
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jiu-jitsu fighter
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Styles: praying mantis, ninjutsu, BJJ,Blauer
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THE MAIN DIFFERENCE IS THAT KUNG FU FORMS TEND TO BE MORE FASTE FLOWING WITH KARATEKA KATA TEND TO BE LESS FLOWING. KARATE IS MORE LIKE ONE PUNCH KILL AND KUNG FU IS MORE FLOWING, LIKE HIT THE GUY 5 TIMES. LOOK AT A KUNG FU VIDEO AND A KARATE VIDEO,
I HAVE STUDIED KARATE AND PRAYING MANTIS
NO OFFENCE TO ANYONE
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on the post.
