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Alan Armstrong
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 Posted: Sat Nov 04, 2017 6:01 am Post subject: Lock Flow? |
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Is lock flow a part of your curriculum?
How much time and effort do you spend practicing your lock flow skills?
Why do you practice lock flow?
Is the effort put in to practicing lock flow worth while for you?
Have you ever used your lock flow skills in a real life situation?
Is it the case that lock flow has never been taught to you?
Would you be able to give a lock flow demonstration?
Is the general none martial art population aware of lock flow? |
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mushybees
Orange Belt
Joined: 16 Nov 2014
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Location: UK
Styles: Wado ryu
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| I'm guessing you mean flow drills based on locking techniques? If so, we do a few drills with locks but it's not big emphasis in our club. |
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Alan Armstrong
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| Posted: Sat Nov 04, 2017 1:57 pm Post subject: |
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Flow drills and lock flow could mean the same thing to some martial artists and could also mean two different things.
From my perspective, lock flow, is a way to practice how one joint lock can flow in to another, continuously.
From doing this lock flow, joint manipulation and control, counter locks can be practiced, whilst also learning about not giving the opponent space for countering maneuvers.
A strike can be used between lock flow practice, as this would be closer to reality.
Lock flow practice can be further enhanced by incorporating nerve strikes and or nerve holds; which is very beneficial against stong opponents.
For some martial artists that practice only striking, by adding lock flow to the mix, is most definitely heading in to a higher level of self defense.
Lock flow techniques can be done standing and also on the ground, and anywhere in between.
Flow drills for instance, are more often than not, can be used by boxers and those that pratice Tai Chi, among others, that repeat movements that each opponent can do the same taking turns, so to speak, that isn't usually concerned about locking joints. |
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sensei8
KF Sensei
Joined: 23 Feb 2008
Posts: 16430
Location: Las Vegas, NV
Styles: Shindokan Saitou-ryu [Shuri-te/Okinawa-te based]
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| Posted: Sun Nov 05, 2017 6:13 am Post subject: Re: Lock Flow? |
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| Is lock flow a part of your curriculum? |
Yes, most definitely!!
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| How much time and effort do you spend practicing your lock flow skills? |
Constantly, both on the floor and while at home; never ending!!
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| Why do you practice lock flow? |
It's very vitally important to my survival!! Without it, there's no survival!!
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| Is the effort put in to practicing lock flow worth while for you? |
Most assuredly so!!
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| Have you ever used your lock flow skills in a real life situation? |
Yes, many times!!
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| Is it the case that lock flow has never been taught to you? |
No!! It's an intricate part of Shindokan!!
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| Would you be able to give a lock flow demonstration? |
Yes, without a doubt!!
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| Is the general none martial art population aware of lock flow? |
No!!
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Alan Armstrong
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sensei8
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Sorry for my rather short, and to the point answers to your questions. I didn't want to go into any long drawn out technical answers, in which I can do. My wife is fond of accusing me of writing novels in my responses!! She's so...well...nice!!
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Alan Armstrong
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| Posted: Sun Nov 05, 2017 7:53 am Post subject: |
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| sensei8 wrote: |
Sorry for my rather short, and to the point answers to your questions. I didn't want to go into any long drawn out technical answers, in which I can do. y wife is fond of accusing me of writing novels in my responses!! She's so...well...nice!!
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Drawn out technical answers are probably going to be very interesting, coming from you sensei8, so please feel free to explain, you know I like to have a rant once and a while myself, as you can testify to that. LOL
Another few aspects of this lock flow are counter measures, systems that focus on using them and for all and any other reasons why and when to use or practice them for health and self defence. |
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sensei8
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LOL!!
For now, my answers stand as they are; the shorter the better.
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Wastelander
KF Sensei
Joined: 18 Oct 2010
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Styles: Shorin-Ryu, Shuri-Ryu, Judo, KishimotoDi
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We do practice several lock flow drills, although it isn't a huge part of training. For me, the big value in them is developing the reaction to resistance to be able to transition to a different lock that is more appropriate for the situation. There are some that are good for transitioning to simply attack two joints in a row, of course, but my preferred approach is the transition based on resistance.
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Alan Armstrong
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| Posted: Tue Nov 07, 2017 3:50 pm Post subject: |
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| Wastelander wrote: |
| We do practice several lock flow drills, although it isn't a huge part of training. For me, the big value in them is developing the reaction to resistance to be able to transition to a different lock that is more appropriate for the situation. There are some that are good for transitioning to simply attack two joints in a row, of course, but my preferred approach is the transition based on resistance. |
Lock transitioning for better control and attacking multiple joints, also taking advantage of resistance opportunities are all good reasons for practicing lock flow manipulation.
Lock flow practice (to my mind) is a great way to introduce new students to joint manipulation, throughout the body in doing and also receiving.
When comfortable with the lock and flow, if later self defense techniques are introduced to the student, they will have a greater idea in what to expect; when strikes, throws and pressure point applications are available or explained, it will be easier to grasp the finer aspects, against a none consenting, none compliant opponent.
Lock flow practice can also be an exercise to carefully loosen up joints, with a little tap out signal to move on to another joint.
All the while building up a little tolerance for one person while the other can improve connectivity and discovering new joint locking positions.
Just throwing a few ideas your way.
What other ideas are viable in practicing lock flow applications?
Such as hair, skin, tendons and muscles are also up for grabs! |
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