Add KarateForums.com
Username:    Password:
Remember Me?    
   I Lost My Password!
Post new topic   Reply to topic    KarateForums.com Forum Index -> Martial Arts and Politics
Goto page 1, 2  Next
 See a User Guidelines violation? Press on the post.
Author Message

sensei8
KF Sensei
KF Sensei

Joined: 23 Feb 2008
Posts: 14401
Location: Houston, TX
Styles: Shindokan Saitou-ryu [Shuri-te/Okinawa-te based]

PostPosted: Sun Mar 09, 2014 7:43 am    Post subject: Might Tear Down Demura Sensei's Dojo?!? Reply with quote

The dojo, of Fumio Demura, the real Mr. Miyagi, will be demolished along with eight other local businesses if the City of Santa Ana, CA gets its way. The city has threatened to use eminent domain to acquire the properties for a road widening project thatís been in the works since 1990. But what you may not know is that the fate of these businesses hinges upon a proposed 30-foot wide strip of landscaping.

I'm befuddled to say the least. Eminent domain? I understand what it means, but I don't understand why the City of Santa Ana, CA thinks that they've that right. Hopefully, a judge will intercede for those threatened business'. And for some landscaping?!?

Demura Sensei's dojo is one of the most beautiful dojo in the USA. I've been to it a numerous times, and the overall glamour and atmosphere was one to behold.

Your thoughts?



_________________
**Proof is on the floor!!!
Back to top
View user's profile Send private message Send e-mail

wagnerk
Purple Belt
Purple Belt

Joined: 02 Oct 2006
Posts: 567
Location: UK
Styles: TSD, Karate & Kickboxing

PostPosted: Sun Mar 09, 2014 8:24 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Is there no way they would consider moving the dojo?
_________________
Tang Soo Do: 3rd Dan '18
Karate: 2nd Dan '04
Back to top
View user's profile Send private message

sensei8
KF Sensei
KF Sensei

Joined: 23 Feb 2008
Posts: 14401
Location: Houston, TX
Styles: Shindokan Saitou-ryu [Shuri-te/Okinawa-te based]

PostPosted: Sun Mar 09, 2014 8:31 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I'm not sure, but I suppose that they could. I've not read any updates as of yet. But the expenses of relocating might not be worth it unless the City's willing to relocate ALL businesses threatened. I don't see that.

Again, it wouldn't be hard to relocate, but the "feelings and emotions and memories" just won't be the same. Imho, none of the business should have to relocate/close for some landscaping. After all, it's just grass and the like.

Maybe I should've placed this topic in the "Martial Arts and Politics" forum instead because a lot of politics are at hand there, imho.



_________________
**Proof is on the floor!!!
Back to top
View user's profile Send private message Send e-mail

Zaine
Black Belt
Black Belt

Joined: 31 Aug 2005
Posts: 1660
Location: Dallas, TX
Styles: Shorin Ryu, Long Fist, American Street Karate, Mantis, Schola Saint George (Fiorian sword fighting)

PostPosted: Sun Mar 09, 2014 9:11 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

That's unfortunate. I've seen cities forcibly close down businesses before but fortunately they tend to take care of the relocation. I don't know if this is the car with Santa Ana but I certainly hope so.
_________________
Martial arts training is 30% classroom training, 70% solo training.
Back to top
View user's profile Send private message Visit poster's website

sensei8
KF Sensei
KF Sensei

Joined: 23 Feb 2008
Posts: 14401
Location: Houston, TX
Styles: Shindokan Saitou-ryu [Shuri-te/Okinawa-te based]

PostPosted: Sun Mar 09, 2014 10:00 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Here's a link to one of the articles...

http://newsantaana.com/tag/fumio-demura/



_________________
**Proof is on the floor!!!
Back to top
View user's profile Send private message Send e-mail

andym
Green Belt
Green Belt

Joined: 05 Jul 2011
Posts: 487

Styles: Goju Ryu

PostPosted: Sun Mar 09, 2014 11:27 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Needs stopping. Passed it onto his group over here. Thanks for the heads up sensei8
_________________
If you believe in an ideal. You don't own it ; it owns you.
Back to top
View user's profile Send private message

cheesefrysamurai
Green Belt
Green Belt

Joined: 06 Mar 2013
Posts: 491
Location: New Jersey
Styles: Okinawan Goju Ryu

PostPosted: Sun Mar 09, 2014 11:48 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

why isnt there a fundraiser or a collection amongst his organization
_________________
Nothing Worth Having Is Easily Obtained - ESPECIALLY RANK
Back to top
View user's profile Send private message

sensei8
KF Sensei
KF Sensei

Joined: 23 Feb 2008
Posts: 14401
Location: Houston, TX
Styles: Shindokan Saitou-ryu [Shuri-te/Okinawa-te based]

PostPosted: Sun Mar 09, 2014 2:58 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

andym wrote:
Needs stopping. Passed it onto his group over here. Thanks for the heads up sensei8

You're welcome. Hopefully something will happen to save all of the business being threatened by the city.


_________________
**Proof is on the floor!!!
Back to top
View user's profile Send private message Send e-mail

SteyrAUG
Orange Belt
Orange Belt

Joined: 25 Feb 2014
Posts: 111


PostPosted: Wed Mar 12, 2014 9:50 pm    Post subject: Re: Might Tear Down Demura Sensei's Dojo?!? Reply with quote

sensei8 wrote:

I'm befuddled to say the least. Eminent domain? I understand what it means, but I don't understand why the City of Santa Ana, CA thinks that they've that right.




Actually ED means exactly that, where a government can come take over private property if they deem the public need to be sufficient. If they have a highway in mind they can actually take your residence.

Government aside, I personally find it disturbing. I feel indebted to Sensei Demura for all he has done for the martial arts community for decades. It would be sad to see any established dojo be lost for the sake of some landscaping, let alone one as significant as Demura's.

Sadly he lives in a beautiful state where the government has some serious discretionary power over it's citizens. One only need to think about the fact that an individual cannot even legally possess nunchaku in their home to realize something is wrong.
_________________
Not ready for prime time signature removed.
Back to top
View user's profile Send private message

SteyrAUG
Orange Belt
Orange Belt

Joined: 25 Feb 2014
Posts: 111


PostPosted: Wed Mar 12, 2014 9:53 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Zaine wrote:
That's unfortunate. I've seen cities forcibly close down businesses before but fortunately they tend to take care of the relocation. I don't know if this is the car with Santa Ana but I certainly hope so.


In most cases of ED the government gives you something close to market value for your property. Sometimes more, sometimes less.
_________________
Not ready for prime time signature removed.
Back to top
View user's profile Send private message
Display posts from previous:   
Post new topic   Reply to topic    KarateForums.com Forum Index -> Martial Arts and Politics All times are GMT - 6 Hours
Goto page 1, 2  Next
Page 1 of 2
Jump to:  
You cannot post new topics in this forum
You cannot reply to topics in this forum
You cannot edit your posts in this forum
You cannot delete your posts in this forum
You cannot vote in polls in this forum


< Advertising - Contact - Disclosure Policy - Staff - User Guidelines >