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Tombstone
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| i happen to like what your doing. i think its good when someone branches out. and it seems you've put alot of thought into this. good luck. |
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iolair
Blue Belt
Joined: 11 Jan 2003
Posts: 310
Location: Asturias, Espaņa
Styles: Kickboxing, Ju Jitsu
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| Posted: Wed Jan 22, 2003 6:25 pm Post subject: Name |
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OK, I've decided to reject the name "Greenoch", amusing as it was, for something in a similar vein but without the comic connections....
... the name I'm pretty much deciding to go for (I'd like to hear people's reactions, however trivial something like a name is to the whole of the style) is gunlann. This comes from the Scottish Gaelic words gun "without", and lann "blade" ... "without blade" signifying "unarmed" (I guess a bit like "kara te" being "empty hand" signifying "unarmed"). The vowel in the gun part should NOT be pronounced as in the english word "gun" but more to rhyme with "good" or "book".
OK?
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Jack
Black Belt
Joined: 22 Jun 2001
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Location: England
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| Posted: Tue Jan 28, 2003 3:31 am Post subject: |
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Good idea iolair, seeing as you have a good amount of experience and knowledge.
However, why name it "without-blade" when you teach armed/bladed combat? 
Good luck!
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iolair
Blue Belt
Joined: 11 Jan 2003
Posts: 310
Location: Asturias, Espaņa
Styles: Kickboxing, Ju Jitsu
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| Posted: Thu Feb 20, 2003 5:23 pm Post subject: |
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| Jack wrote: |
Good idea iolair, seeing as you have a good amount of experience and knowledge.
However, why name it "without-blade" when you teach armed/bladed combat?
Good luck! |
Sorry, I didn't see this reply before!
Thanks for the feedback.... the rationale behind teaching dagger/knife and cudgel/stick fighting is not to produce expert fighters in these areas, but instead to promote understanding of how these weapons are used and practice defending/sparring against a skilled attacker using them. Knife vs Knife would not be taught, for example... Some stick fighting is included at higher grades, as there are many stick-like objects that might be at hand, that you could use as an aid to streetfighting or self defence.
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adren@line
White Belt
Joined: 20 Feb 2003
Posts: 15
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| Posted: Fri Feb 21, 2003 12:49 am Post subject: |
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ummmm...
your basically ripping off bjj, boxing, and muay thai/tkd kicks, repackaging it, and calling it something else......
many guys do this today, and I dont know why.
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iolair
Blue Belt
Joined: 11 Jan 2003
Posts: 310
Location: Asturias, Espaņa
Styles: Kickboxing, Ju Jitsu
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| Posted: Fri Feb 21, 2003 2:45 am Post subject: |
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| adren@line wrote: |
your basically ripping off bjj, boxing, and muay thai/tkd kicks, repackaging it, and calling it something else......
many guys do this today, and I dont know why. |
Yes, you could look at it like that...
The difference here is:
1) to try to take the minimum number of techniques at each distance in order to be effective, so that these small number of techniques can be learnt very well - and also that the outline of the system can be learnt quickly.
This contrasts with most other martial arts (boxing and muay thai are exceptions) that tend to have dozens and dozens of techniques ... TKD, Karate "waste" a lot of time on high kicks and jumping kicks that are useful so rarely that it would have been better to spend the time reinforcing basics.
2) A strong emphasis on the basics (groundwork, footwork, conditioning, defence, falling). Many martial arts concentrate heavily on techniques at the expense of other fighting skills - particularly footwork. (Boxing is the only significant exception I can think of).
3) As for "ripping off" other styles - well, we all have the same sort of bodies and there's only so many things you can do with it. Many martial arts have similar techniques anyway. For the record though, the choice of techniques most heavily influenced by (more or less in order) boxing, judo, savate, karate, fencing, western amateur wrestling, and muay thai. I certainly was NOT influenced by TKDs bias towards (rather impractical) high kicks.
To reiterate, the basic philosophy of Gunlann is to teach
1) The MINIMUM number of techniques required to be truly effective at EVERY range.
2) The BASIC FIGHTING SKILLS such as footwork and groundwork.
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iolair
Blue Belt
Joined: 11 Jan 2003
Posts: 310
Location: Asturias, Espaņa
Styles: Kickboxing, Ju Jitsu
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As several people here have sounded interested, I thought I'd keep you up to date. I've just completed a first complete draft of the grading requirements - would be interested to hear your comments. By the way, I haven't decided what the colours represent yet (e.g. if it's a belt or something else...)
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Requirements to Achieve Grade
(Grading candidates may be asked to display any or all requirements from previous grade levels. The only "double-grading" that may be attempted is for a beginner to attempt to grade straight to Grade 2 instead of Grade 1. Whether a candidate has successfully performed the techniques or performed adequately in sparring is solely at the examiner's discretion.)
Grade 1: Red
Fighting Stance
Stepping and Sidestepping
Upper Parry
Lead Jab to head
Lead Jab to body
Rear cross to head
Front rising knee kick
Rear rising knee kick
Deliver techniques to pads held by moving partner, 2 x 2 minutes
10 Push-Ups (1 second up motion, 4 seconds down motion)
Run 1 Mile
Grade 2: Red
Rear cross to body
Lead hook punch to head
Lead round knee kick
Rear round knee kick
Lead front kick to body
Rear front kick to body
Lower Parry
Deliver techniques and combinations to pads held by moving partner, 2 x 2 minutes
20 Push-Ups (1 second up motion, 4 seconds down motion)
Run 1 Mile in 9 minutes or less
Grade 3: Red
Breakfalls (Front, Rear, Side, Rolling)
Hip Throw
Outer Reaping Throw
Lead round kick to leg
Rear round kick to leg
Lead side kick to knee
Leg Block
Held Grade 2 for at least 3 months
Deliver techniques and combinations to pads held by moving partner, 2 x 3 minutes
Demonstrate awareness of self-protection/self-defence issues
Grade 4: Blue
Lunging
Slips and Laybacks
Ducking
Lead round elbow
Rear uppercut to body
Rear uppercut to head
Lead backfist
Rear backfist
Held Grade 3 for at least 3 months
10 Knuckle Push-Ups (1 second up motion, 4 seconds down motion)
Evading an attacker using body movements only: 1 x 3 minutes
Punches only Semi-Contact Sparring: 3 x 3 minutes
Run 1 Mile in 7 Minutes or Less
Grade 5: Blue
Shoulder Throw
Mount Hold
Scarf Hold
Cross Body Hold
Escape from Holds
Transitions between holds
Return to standing from ground
Rear rising elbow to body
Rear rising elbow to head
Held Grade 4 for at least 4 months
20 Knuckle Push-Ups (1 second up motion, 4 seconds down motion)
Punches, Elbows and Throws Semi-Contact Sparring: 3 x 3 minutes
Groundwork "Sparring" (no submissions): 3 x 3 minutes
Grade 6: Blue
Body drop throw
Cross body arm lock
Naked choke
Defence against chokes
Lead back elbow to body
Rear back elbow to body
Lead back elbow to head
Rear back elbow to head
Held Grade 5 for at least 4 months
Punches, Elbows and Throws Semi-Contact Sparring: 3 x 3 minutes
Groundwork "Sparring" (no submissions): 3 x 3 minutes
Grade 7: Green
Figure-4 Arm Lock
Collar Choke
Lead round kick to body
Rear round kick to body
Lead side kick to body
Lead back kick to body
Lead front kick to head
Rear front kick to head
Age at least 16 years old
Held Grade 6 for at least 4 months
Striking Techniques semi-contact sparring 5 x 3 minutes
Groundwork "Sparring" (including submissions): 3 x 3 minutes
Grade 8: Green
Leg Triangle choke
Shoulder Wheel throw
Lead round kick to head
Rear round kick to head
Lead side kick to head
Lead back kick to head
Lead hook kick to head
Held Grade 7 for at least 6 months
Striking Techniques semi-contact sparring 5 x 3 minutes
Groundwork "Sparring" (including submissions): 3 x 3 minutes
"Anything goes" semi-contact sparring: 3 x 3 minutes
Grade 9: Black
High level of speed and technical accuracy with all techniques
Age at least 18 years old
Held Grade 8 for at least 6 months
Run 1 Mile in 6 Minutes or Less
Striking Techniques semi-contact sparring 3 x 3 minutes
Ground grappling sparring 3 x 3 minutes
"Anything goes" semi-contact sparring: 3 x 3 minutes
"Anything goes" full-contact sparring (with full protective gear) 3 x 1 minute
"Anything goes" semi-contact sparring against 2 attackers: 3 x 1 minute
Grade 10: Grey
Very high level of speed and technical accuracy with all techniques
Fighting with and defence against dagger
Fighting with and defence against cudgel
Held Grade 9 for at least 1 year
Kicking Techniques only full-contact sparring 3 x 3 minutes
Throws and takedowns sparring 3 x 3 minutes
Ground grappling sparring 3 x 3 minutes
"Anything goes" full-contact sparring (with full protective gear) 3 x 3 minutes
"Anything goes" full-contact sparring (grappling gloves, groin protector, gum-shield) 3 x 1 minute
"Anything goes" semi-contact sparring against 3 attackers: 3 x 1 minute
"Anything goes" full-contact sparring (with full protective gear) against 3 attackers: 1 minute
Grade 11: White - Instructor
Age at least 20 years old
Held Grade 10 for at least 1 year
Hold a current first aid qualification
Lead 6 training sessions under the supervision of an existing instructor
1200 word essay on relevant topic agreed with existing instructor
Grade 12: White with Red - Head Instructor
No further requirements - white with red signifies the head instructor within a school |
I know some people get touchy about age limits on grades, but basically they are introduced because of safety issues with using chokes in sparring and with full contact sparring. The 1 minute full contact bouts at higher grades are basically because you should be exerting yourself at a level in these that you wouldn't last longer than 1 minute....
Oh yes, I know I said there would only be a small number of techniques... look carefully and you will see that there are not many techniques there, but they are listed seperately for lead-rear or leg/body/head target.
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ZeRo
Black Belt
Joined: 03 Apr 2002
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| Posted: Mon Feb 24, 2003 6:50 pm Post subject: |
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wow im quite impressed it sounds like a good style.
you decided on what kinda uniform you gonna have? |
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iolair
Blue Belt
Joined: 11 Jan 2003
Posts: 310
Location: Asturias, Espaņa
Styles: Kickboxing, Ju Jitsu
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| Posted: Thu Feb 27, 2003 9:46 am Post subject: |
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| you decided on what kinda uniform you gonna have? |
Actually no, I'm still completely clueless about this. Well, mostly clueless....
There's a couple of grappling techniques that really require a grip on clothing, so some sort of strong material (eg. Judo gi) would be an advantage.
On the other hand, I'd like to stay away from oriental type uniforms if I can, as this isn't an oriental art (although it takes some inspiration from oriental arts).
Using standard martial arts belts is probably a good idea, as everyone is used to what martial arts belts look like, and this could help make the style accessible to newcomers... Although you can't get grey belts, it's the easiest thing in the world to get a white belt and dye it!
The temptation at the moment is do go the easy route : training shoes, long trousers(pants), plain T-shirt and belt.... but still undecided. This isn't really a uniform at all though, and I like uniforms as they produce a formal atmosphere that can be more conducive to getting on with training seriously.
Training shoes rather than bare feet is the only definite decision so far.... (though they might be removed for safety in groundwork). But if you ever have to fight in real life, you'll have shoes on, so you may as well train this way.
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Radok
Brown Belt
Joined: 23 Apr 2002
Posts: 601
Location: Florida
Styles: Okinawan Shorin-ryu Karate-do
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| Posted: Wed Oct 22, 2003 1:00 pm Post subject: |
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Since Iolair is still on this site, I just thought I would ask how things were going on making his art.
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