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renketsu
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Joined: 11 Feb 2003
Posts: 157
Location: North-West England
Styles: Shotokan Karate
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Posted: Thu Sep 04, 2003 7:00 am Post subject: Stepping from zenkutsu dachi (front stance) |
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Hi,
Just been reading an interesting debate about whether you should 'push' with your back leg or 'pull' with your front leg when stepping from zenkutsu dachi to zenkutsu dachi (like we all do in kihon/basics practise).
The debate also categorically states that doing both at the same time is impossible, which seems wrong to me! I am sure the book by Elmar Schmeisser states you go from an outside tension stance (zenkutsu) to an inside tension stance (similar to hangetsu) then back to an outside stance (zenkutsu) as you transition through the above stepping technique. This implies that you are pulling and pushing at once to bring your stance into an inside tension stance! (I know I could be well wrong though! )
In my simplified terms (for those who dont already know) - outside tension stance means pushing out with the knees and pulling in with the ankles. Inside tension stance is pulling in with the knees and pushing out through the ankles.
How do you move from one stance to the next (push/pull/both) and why?
Andy. _________________ Andy Wilkinson (Sandan)
Renketsu Karate Club Senior Instructor
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ninjanurse
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Joined: 13 Feb 2003
Posts: 6154
Location: Upstate NY
Styles: TKD;Shotokan;JuJitsu;Tai Ji
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Posted: Thu Sep 04, 2003 9:57 am Post subject: |
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Great topic! This same issue has recently come up at the TKD school that I am currently training at. Having a Shotokan background I have a similar undersanding of fumadashi and fumakoshi as you however this seems to be lacking in other styles-but maybe it's just a matter of teaching differences, theory, etc..I don't know. Anyway I feel that all movement-although termed basic-is very comlex and involves subtle yet important changes in flexion, center of gravity, etc., that shouldn't be discounted just because it takes years of training to appreciate them. A three step sequence of movement from one stance to the next eventually becomes one quick movement to the untrained eye as the practitioner develops this important skill through years of practice and development.
_________________ "A Black Belt is only the beginning."
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Goju1
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Joined: 04 Jul 2003
Posts: 266
Location: Coronado CA
Styles: IOGKF Goju Ryu
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Posted: Thu Sep 04, 2003 10:08 am Post subject: |
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we take very deep stances in kata and practice, so pulling with front leg becomes necessary. However in other shorter stances, we will push with the rear leg - good topic! |
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Practise is the Key
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Joined: 28 Aug 2003
Posts: 168
Location: England purley surrey
Styles: TKA
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Posted: Thu Sep 04, 2003 10:57 am Post subject: |
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keep your stances a strong deep foundation and keep your head moving the same level just imagine thiers a ceiling above your head push your front leg and make sure you don't see your big toe.
Kaiba dachi- Horse stance
hachiji dachi- Open-leg stance
Heisoku dachi- Informal attention stance
Kokutso dachi-back stance
Yoi-ready stance
Bye bye bye bye bye bye bye bye see you later my friend ahhahah _________________ I am still training however, having dabbled in Shotokan and Shotokai Karate. I am please to report that Kenshukai is one of the strongest and most disciplined styles ( i did not write this) |
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G95champ
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Joined: 29 Mar 2002
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Location: Gilbert WV, USA
Styles: Shotokan Karate (FSKA)
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Posted: Fri Sep 05, 2003 11:08 pm Post subject: |
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Shotokan we push. _________________ (General George S. Patton Jr.) "It's the unconquerable soul of man, and not the nature of the weapon he uses, that ensures victory." |
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Cheradenine
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Joined: 05 Sep 2003
Posts: 71
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Posted: Mon Sep 08, 2003 11:52 pm Post subject: |
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In Chidokan we push.. the lower your stance the more friction you have to the floor, and especially during basic exercises when trying to build a little muscle on the leg.
However, I have never really thought of pulling from the front leg as an option.. just something to be careful not to do.. I may experiment with it... |
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