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RedLynx
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Posted: Sat Jul 13, 2002 8:31 am Post subject: |
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I know many Okinawan and other M/A weapons today were once merely tools. What I'm not sure of is exactly what they were once used for. For example I know the nunchaku were used for crushing/harvesting grain, but if you asked me what the sai was used for, I'd have no clue. Can any of you tell me what different weapons were once used for?
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Tobias_Reece
Brown Belt
Joined: 26 May 2001
Posts: 691
Location: Leeds, England
Styles: Matayoshi Okinawawn Kobudo, Shotokan Karate
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Posted: Sat Jul 13, 2002 1:40 pm Post subject: |
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RedLynx
You are correct in thinking that many Okinawan weapons were farm tools, but there is no 'correct' answer, just theories.
We can start this by looking at the nunchaku - yes, they might have been grain beaters, but if you actually look at the original grain beaters they were actually larger, and some had certain specifications etc.
It is far more likely that another theory is 'correct'. Other theories include horse bites, but my personal favourite - the law enforcement tool. This theory was that if the 'copper' spotted a thief, they would clap the nunchaku together, alerting everyone.
In reference to the zai, I'm going to provide a link to my instructor/examiner's website. This has some very good theories for the sai (FAQs, "The Sai Theories")
http://www.martialarts2000.freeserve.co.uk/Text%20Files/The%20Sai%20theories.doc
If that link doesn't work, go to :
http://www.martialarts2000.freeserve.co.uk
Hope this helps
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Eye of the Tiger
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Joined: 22 Apr 2002
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Posted: Sun Jul 14, 2002 7:15 am Post subject: |
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I know that when Shaoloin Kung Fu was being made that they trained to fight with every day weapons such as broomsticks, and buckets. But I think they have adopted more advanced weapons now such as swords and sticks.
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Taikudo-ka
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Joined: 20 Mar 2002
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Location: Australia
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Posted: Tue Jul 16, 2002 12:24 am Post subject: |
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Some kobudo weapons I've heard of:
Staff (bo/jo) - walking stick/staff (or pole from rake, shovel, broom, etc)
Oar - a simple boat oar, for rowing
Nunchuck - part of horse bridle. I believe early nunchucks imitated the curved bridle shape.
Tonfa - may have been a mill handle. However, similar weapons are found throughout Asia and it may always have had a martial application.
Sai - I've heard that this was always a weapon, like a sword. May have evolved from a pitchfork but the modern application seems purely martial.
Kama - A sickle, used for cutting straw and grass.
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Taikudo-ka
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Joined: 20 Mar 2002
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Location: Australia
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Posted: Tue Jul 16, 2002 4:05 am Post subject: |
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In fact, every weapon has evolved out of some tool. If it wasn't a farm implement, it was a hunting tool, or a craft tool.
the axe - for cutting wood
the spear and bow - for hunting game
the knife - for cutting up food, cutting material, furs, etc.
the hammer - cracking nuts, driving wood piles, 1001 other uses.
The sword is just a big knife (in principle, not practise), and the cruise missile is just a big firecracker.
Everything can probably be traced back to the stick, the stone, or the bone.
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