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iamrushman
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PostPosted: Sun Oct 07, 2001 6:18 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

here's a thread i would like to bring to today's topics...........

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PostPosted: Fri Nov 23, 2001 2:54 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

with the new korean stylist here i wanted to bring this to today subjects again........

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PostPosted: Wed Nov 28, 2001 12:52 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I practice the older style ITF hyungs
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PostPosted: Tue Dec 04, 2001 5:38 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

JAKMAK52....i don't know much about the ITF.....could you tell us something about there poomses,perhaps your favorite and why you like it.........

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PostPosted: Wed Dec 05, 2001 1:50 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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On 2001-12-04 18:38, iamrushman wrote:
JAKMAK52....i don't know much about the ITF.....could you tell us something about there poomses,perhaps your favorite and why you like it.........



My understanding is that the WTF (World TKD) association utilizes the palgwe/taeguek poomse or kata/forms and the ITF (International TKD) uses the hyung's. The kata I learned from white to Black Belt candidate are as follows, w/ English translation:
Tan Gun = Legendary Founder of Korea
To San = Philospher & Educator
Yol Kuk = Confucious of Korea
Toi Gye = Penname of a Noted Scholar
Choi Gye = Iron Horse
Hwa Rang = Korean Youth Movement to unite the 3 Kingdoms of Sila
Chung Moo = Admiral of the 1st Armored Korean Battleship
Kwan Gae = 19th Emporer of the Kookaroo Dynasty
and finally...
Bat Sai (Bassai Dai) = Breaking thriugh the Fortress

now of course a lot the spellings, translations and movements are similar to other styles and disciplines...I love em all...except for Chung Moo( for me it's was and is a pain in the A _ _ to learn and perform). I guess my fav would be Bat Sai (Bassai Dai), I like the way it moves, the tempo, and the mixture of pauses and then intense explosive moves, which I think all kata's should be performed in the hard hitting disciplines, especilly TKD, Shotokan, Kempo's ecetera, blah, blah


These comments and opinions are strickly my own views and interpretations, I may be mistaken on some things, if I am, please let me know, thanks.

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PostPosted: Thu Dec 06, 2001 8:25 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

i will make note and thanks for the info......

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PostPosted: Thu Dec 06, 2001 9:22 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

We have bat Sai in Karate, but it is caled Bassai Dai, there are two in the set, Bassai Dai (to break thru the fortress major) and Bassai Sho (to break thru the fortress minor)

Both Kata's are excewllent, I only know Bassai Dai, but am wanting to learn Bassai Sho.

I do not Study Taekwondo, but like the fact of it very much.
Is it ITF with the most focus on kicks or WTF, somebody has told me in the past, but I thikn its WTF!

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PostPosted: Thu Dec 06, 2001 9:28 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Ah ha. I never read past the first post before. I thought poomses were something exclusive to TKD.

In Kuk Sool Won, we refer to them as Hyung as well. My favorite so far, due to its challenging nature, is Baek Pahl Ki Hyung (108 Ki form). Its based on the Buddhist philosphy of breaking the 108 torments that every man/woman posses as given by Mother Nature (don't know the details). Sufice to say, it is a rather long one, and demands good balance, breath control, speed and power control.

The one I'm learning now, for third degree, is Kyuk Pah Hyung (power-break form). Its interesting, but no where near as long or as difficult as Baek Pahl Ki Hyung.
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PostPosted: Thu Dec 06, 2001 12:35 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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On 2001-12-06 10:22, moobrack wrote:
Is it ITF with the most focus on kicks or WTF, somebody has told me in the past, but I thikn its WTF!


I believe your right Moobrack (WTF), I've seen tournaments that restricted hand techniques all together, just leg strikes with knock - outs exceptable

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PostPosted: Thu Dec 06, 2001 12:40 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Thanx Man, I needed to know, just something that was niggling my brain.Cheers for that I really appreciate it, as I don't know much about TKD, I wish to further my knowledge.

Thanks Mate,

C Ya

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