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aznkarateboi
Brown Belt
Joined: 30 Mar 2003
Posts: 627
Styles: shaolin gung fu southern style
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Posted: Thu Sep 04, 2003 7:27 pm Post subject: why the stances? |
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why do karateka's train with stances such as the forward stance, back stance, and crouched stances? do you use them while sparring? fighting? |
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mikS
Orange Belt
Joined: 08 Apr 2003
Posts: 135
Location: USA (washington)
Styles: karate
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Posted: Thu Sep 04, 2003 7:53 pm Post subject: Re: why the stances? |
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aznkarateboi wrote: |
why do karateka's train with stances such as the forward stance, back stance, and crouched stances? do you use them while sparring? fighting? |
They're used for strengthening the legs. |
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wrestlingkaratechamp
Brown Belt
Joined: 22 Mar 2003
Posts: 663
Location: Brooklyn
Styles: Brown belt shotkan karate/black belt 1st dan BJJ(8 years) high school wrestling champion
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Posted: Thu Sep 04, 2003 8:46 pm Post subject: |
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Making you stronger |
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Drunken Monkey
Black Belt
Joined: 10 Apr 2002
Posts: 3559
Location: bar italia
Styles: white chocolate profiteroles and natas....
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Posted: Thu Sep 04, 2003 8:53 pm Post subject: |
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and more stable.
after all, if you cannot stand up, how can you hit?
good base = good kicks+good punches.
never skimp out on the basics like stance training. it's why the kung fu guys spend so long just sitting in stance before learning forms. _________________ post count is directly related to how much free time you have, not how intelligent you are.
"When you have to kill a man it costs nothing to be polite." |
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delta1
Black Belt
Joined: 17 Feb 2003
Posts: 1780
Location: North Central Washington
Styles: It's ALL Kenpo! Bring it back to base!
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Posted: Thu Sep 04, 2003 11:26 pm Post subject: |
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Drunken Monkey wrote: |
and more stable.
after all, if you cannot stand up, how can you hit?
good base = good kicks+good punches. |
And a good base aids in speed and power generation. It is a crucial component of ballance. It makes it harder for an opponent to move in and occupy your space, or to knock you over.
Stances and footwork position you for offense or defense. They help make you unpredictable. They give you options.
If that's not enough, they really look cool too! |
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Scorcho
Yellow Belt
Joined: 12 Aug 2003
Posts: 87
Location: Dartmouth College
Styles: Uechi Ryu, Jiu-Jitsu, Aikido, Kickboxing
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Posted: Fri Sep 05, 2003 2:20 am Post subject: |
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Many stances are als transitionary. You can slide into them during a certain strite. You do not fight out of them per se, they are only used in with certain attacks. _________________ "The true master avoids the fight."
Shodan - Uechi-Ryu Karate
Brown Belt - Zen Budo Ryu JJ, Yoshinkan Aikido |
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major_motoko
Orange Belt
Joined: 09 Jun 2003
Posts: 116
Location: London, United Kingdom
Styles: Wado-Ryu Karate. Kobudo, Iaido
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Posted: Fri Sep 05, 2003 4:13 am Post subject: |
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I agree with Scorcho, when I spar it is mainly in a relax fighting stance (like a half zen-kutsu-dachi) but as I move between techniques I do find myself moving between back stances and even kiba-dachi (horse riding stance). Back stance I use when I do kicks with the front leg, kiba dachi can be used for side thrust kicks, or just to move into your opponents space.
But when you spend hours in the dojo in long front stances or horse stances, that is primarily good for building strong leg muscles and good balance.
osu
motoko _________________ 2nd Kyu Brown Belt, Wado Ryu Karate-do
"Daniel-san best karate still inside!" Mr Myagi |
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Sasori_Te
Black Belt
Joined: 15 Aug 2003
Posts: 1116
Location: Near Akron Ohio
Styles: Kempo and Kobudo
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Posted: Fri Sep 05, 2003 9:35 am Post subject: |
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I think scorcho and major motoko have it right. Stances are transitory. You train then so much individually to strengthen muscles and acquire balance. They are designed to be balance points when you're moving. This way as you move through an attack your balance will be stronger because you are used to being in these positions. Although, most schools don't train this way. If you've never noticed, the basic stance can all be transitioned through while standing in one spot by simply adjusting the foot direction as the waist turns. Or, by sliding the foot back or forward or turning the feet in slightly depending on the situation. I practice these "walking" or movement exercises all the time with my students. I don't believe that stances were meant to be what they have become in so many schools. These hard, stiff and unyielding positions are meant to be practiced more like Taijiquan. The heels should be down and there should be a relaxed tension feeling to the stance. You should feel as though you can move easily into another position if you need to. I'm rambling.... _________________ A block is a strike is a lock is a throw. |
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Goju1
Blue Belt
Joined: 04 Jul 2003
Posts: 266
Location: Coronado CA
Styles: IOGKF Goju Ryu
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Posted: Fri Sep 05, 2003 10:20 am Post subject: |
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I agree with the last three posts, adding only that there are some instances when a stance such as shiko-dachi or neko ashi-dachi can be used effectively during sparring/fighting. The long stances, like zen kutsu dachi are primarily for strengthening/stretching the legs and building discipline.
That is what so much of karate is about (to me) - the basics, repetition, etc... Correct stances are crucial for good karate!!!! IMO
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G95champ
Black Belt
Joined: 29 Mar 2002
Posts: 3116
Location: Gilbert WV, USA
Styles: Shotokan Karate (FSKA)
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Posted: Fri Sep 05, 2003 11:07 pm Post subject: |
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They are all natural standing postions just low if you think about it. We do them low to build muscle, speek, and FOCUS. Because it hurts.... They also help you balance and teach you how to work a lot of throws and takedowns once you get into the art. _________________ (General George S. Patton Jr.) "It's the unconquerable soul of man, and not the nature of the weapon he uses, that ensures victory." |
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