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Kensai
Black Belt
Joined: 05 Jul 2002
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Location: Britain
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Can you please state your experience in wrestling and in other martial arts BK?
Any fool can pull off a move like a side kick from Karate, a wrist lock from Aikido, a cut kick from MT or a move from wrestling. But to actually have the power and skill to use such a move under a REAL COMBAT environment is completely different from a couple of kids fights in the school yard. |
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WolverineGuy
Red Belt
Joined: 30 Mar 2003
Posts: 753
Location: Flint, MI
Styles: Kalkinodo, San Chin Ryu, Brazilian Jiu Jitsu, Judo
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Oy, as much as I hate to say it, that technique COULD have been pulled off by anyone that watches the wwe...being caught in a headlock like that, I'd be looking to slam the guy any way I could, and just standing up and dropping the guy on his head would be my first reaction...if I didn't know better counters.  Still, gotta love it. Wonder if the guy who got caught in the suplex went for a steel chair after he got right up... 
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omnifinite
Purple Belt
Joined: 09 Apr 2002
Posts: 524
Location: Northern VA
Styles: Hapkido | Kempo | Jujitsu
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Really all he did was pick the guy up and arch himself backwards... he was already in just the right place for it. I don't know if just anyone would think to do something like that in the midst of a pummeling, and it did look like he'd done it before, but I would think a sloppier version of it could at least be pulled off by most people.
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TJS
Black Belt
Joined: 27 Jan 2003
Posts: 1843
Styles: boxing, Thai boxing, BJJ,
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| like kensai said..most people could "do it"..just like any person can kick or punch or knee or elbow..that dosent mean they are good at it like a fighter is...same applies here. |
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psychospaz
Yellow Belt
Joined: 20 Feb 2002
Posts: 88
Styles: Shotokan Karate Green Belt, Freestyle Shootfighting/Submission Wrestling
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How about, "most non-wrestler fighters could do that without special training"
I train karate, and it looks like the sorta thing I'd go for, close up and all, an instinctual type move. I could be wrong, but I have never been wrong before. |
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Dekan
Yellow Belt
Joined: 12 Feb 2003
Posts: 57
Location: Ohio
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| Any fool can pull off a move like a side kick from Karate, a wrist lock from Aikido, a cut kick from MT or a move from wrestling. But to actually have the power and skill to use such a move under a REAL COMBAT environment is completely different from a couple of kids fights in the school yard. |
<IMHO>
Exactly!!!
Theoretically, take someone who has done Martial Arts for years, but only ever done kata/forms, never any sparring. They have mastered (technically speaking) the moves through the practice of their kata/forms.
Now put them in a sparring situation for the first time and watch how they react. They won't have any timing to block real strikes and kicks, their attempts at counter measures will be off. I think Bruce Lee was one that stated "you must spar" kata is not enough.
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Venezolano
Green Belt
Joined: 19 Sep 2002
Posts: 357
Location: Venezuela
Styles: Brazilian Jiu-Jitsu, TKD, Karate.
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I agree.
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Terry Bogard
White Belt
Joined: 13 Apr 2003
Posts: 19
Styles: TKD, Capoeira, Brazillian Jiu Jitsu, Wrestling
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| well i cant watch the movie for some reason but it sounds like the guy was in a headlock and did a vertical suplex, is that right? |
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GhOsCeLL
Yellow Belt
Joined: 13 Apr 2003
Posts: 47
Location: New York, New York USA
Styles: Karate, Aikido, and Jujitsu
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Terry Bogard:
well i cant watch the movie for some reason but it sounds like the guy was in a headlock and did a vertical suplex, is that right?
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No, he did a back drop.
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GhOsCeLL
Yellow Belt
Joined: 13 Apr 2003
Posts: 47
Location: New York, New York USA
Styles: Karate, Aikido, and Jujitsu
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I agree, wrestling is a very powerful and effective style on the street. That is why I take it! 
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