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Tibby
Purple Belt
Joined: 04 Jun 2003
Posts: 597
Location: Jacksonville, Tx
Styles: JuJutsu(Judo), Isshinryu Karate, Boxing, Fencing
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| I'm new at this. Please tell me what "Guillotine choke," "collar crunch," and "o soto gari" are. Thanks! |
Guillotine Choke is simple enough, When they do something, such as tackle you, where there head is under your arm, run your arm under there neck, locking both arms, and them pull up and back.
This is in O Soto gari:
But the O soto isn't what I would call the best move for the street. It looks simple, but it is has to be trained before you can do anything. It is a great move, but a beginner would find himself in trobule without some form of instrustion. I'd fear this would mislead some of the guys who don't have formal training into tryign it without working with it, and end up getting thrashed. |
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goshinman
Blue Belt
Joined: 23 Jul 2003
Posts: 253
Location: pasadena,ca
Styles: hakko densin ryu jujutsu, shuai chiao, catchwrestling, and some judo/sambo
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This is in O Soto gari:
But the O soto isn't what I would call the best move for the street. It looks simple, but it is has to be trained before you can do anything. It is a great move, but a beginner would find himself in trobule without some form of instrustion. I'd fear this would mislead some of the guys who don't have formal training into trying it without working with it, and end up getting thrashed. |
I have to disagree with you on that point. I think o soto is the best throw/offbalancing technique for the street because of it's simplicity and because it is a move that doesn't require you to compromise your backside and doesn't reqire alot of strength to pull off. And because of the way the person usually lands when thrown in this manner you can easily follow up with a mount and pound away, or a stomp to the head or what ever the situation requires. I'm curious to know why you don't think o soto is simple enough for beginners.
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ZR440
Black Belt
Joined: 04 Nov 2001
Posts: 1597
Location: Michigan
Styles: Filipino
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| Posted: Tue Sep 02, 2003 7:11 am Post subject: |
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| How about poppin 'em in the throat? That's a show stopper in my book. |
Sure it is. But you must know that as you fight and adrenaline begins to flow small targets become much harder to hit because your motor skill aren't used to the rush you are experiencing. You can train yourself to overcome this but it takes time. And besides I said GRAPPLING moves, not strikes  |
Ahh, sorry. Grappling eh? Kinda difficult to choose from. Most of what I learned in KSW includes manipulating the wrist and arm in a way that drops the attacker down to the ground, where you can follow up with some strikes. There are so many it's hard to pick a favorite.
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goshinman
Blue Belt
Joined: 23 Jul 2003
Posts: 253
Location: pasadena,ca
Styles: hakko densin ryu jujutsu, shuai chiao, catchwrestling, and some judo/sambo
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ZR440
Black Belt
Joined: 04 Nov 2001
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Location: Michigan
Styles: Filipino
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Very much so. That's why I said it's hard to choose a favorite. There's approx 10 different techniques for each method of attack, such as wrist hold, clothing grab, whatever. Each one has a combination of joint manipulating, pressure point hits, strikes, and takedowns. It's all about controlling your attacker.
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goshinman
Blue Belt
Joined: 23 Jul 2003
Posts: 253
Location: pasadena,ca
Styles: hakko densin ryu jujutsu, shuai chiao, catchwrestling, and some judo/sambo
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ZR440
Black Belt
Joined: 04 Nov 2001
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Location: Michigan
Styles: Filipino
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| Posted: Wed Sep 03, 2003 2:07 pm Post subject: |
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There might be some, I don't know.
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goshinman
Blue Belt
Joined: 23 Jul 2003
Posts: 253
Location: pasadena,ca
Styles: hakko densin ryu jujutsu, shuai chiao, catchwrestling, and some judo/sambo
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How long have you been studying it? From what I know of KSW it is supposed to be a VERY comprehensive art. I once considered studying it but the school was too far for me.
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ZR440
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Location: Michigan
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Studied for about three years. And yes, it's very comprehensive. It's a lifetime learning art or system as my instructor once called it. The school closed this past spring, so now I am taking Kuntaw (Philippino).
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SBN Doug
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Joined: 04 Nov 2001
Posts: 3767
Location: Houston, TX
Styles: Kuk Sool Won
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| Posted: Thu Sep 04, 2003 7:16 am Post subject: |
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| Very much so. That's why I said it's hard to choose a favorite. There's approx 10 different techniques for each method of attack, such as wrist hold, clothing grab, whatever. Each one has a combination of joint manipulating, pressure point hits, strikes, and takedowns. It's all about controlling your attacker. |
That's only the basics up to first degree. And it's actually anywhere between 10 - 20. You build on those to perform additional, and more complex, moves as you become more advanced.
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on the post.
