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Wing Chun
Yellow Belt
Joined: 08 Mar 2003
Posts: 47
Styles: Wing Chun
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Posted: Thu Apr 24, 2003 4:49 am Post subject: |
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i dont know too much about the plot but in the film jet li beats a lot of karate black belts. now jet li markets wushu, which some people consider a generic term for chinese martial arts. and that guy obviously thought that karate represented the japanese arts. so when he saw wushu beat karate in a way he thought it was trying to portray chinese martial arts superiority .over japanese martial arts.
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karate_woman
Pre-Black Belt
Joined: 11 Apr 2003
Posts: 863
Location: Ontario Canada
Styles: Kickboxing,Okinawan Goju Ryu Karate, Judo, JuJitsu,T'ai Chi, QiGong
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Posted: Thu Apr 24, 2003 6:49 am Post subject: |
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What an excellent response Mr Li gave you _________________ The journey of a thousand miles begins with one step.
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Wing Chun
Yellow Belt
Joined: 08 Mar 2003
Posts: 47
Styles: Wing Chun
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Posted: Thu Apr 24, 2003 12:33 pm Post subject: |
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okay im going to try rephrasing this so no one is 'ofended'. Treebranch my dear frind, if you do not know about a martial art then i think the most correct course of action would be to not comment at all. u were very very wrong, but that ur ur fault - u were simply misinformed
anyway you mentioned how styles like wing chun are sused because they look good on film. that is very incorrect. films like flashy moves - high kicks, and long movements etc. wing chun is nothing like that, it revolves around simplicity with the sole purpose of destroying the opponent. jeet kune do maybe because some persons individual expression of jeet kune do may involve flashy moves. wushu yes. please may i every plotely ask where you got this informationt hat wing chun was style made to look good? also haveyoiu done any research on wing chun? and finally have i made you aware of this error.
if you have any queries regarding wing chun please dont hesitate to contact me.
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Treebranch
Black Belt
Joined: 21 Mar 2003
Posts: 2279
Location: Glendale, California USA
Styles: Budo Taijutsu, Boxing,Lars Wallin BJJ, Machado Brazilian Jiu-Jitsu, Kung Fu San Soo, Lima Lama, Taekwondo
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Posted: Thu Apr 24, 2003 5:12 pm Post subject: |
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Watch the movie Hunted with Benecio Deltoro, and tell me that they are not doing Wing Chun techniques. You've never seen STICKY HANDS used in Movies? I guess I watch a lot of MA movies. Sorry if I offended you, but some MA look better on film than others, doesn't mean they don't work. All I really said if you read what I said closer, was that Martial Arts in films are flowery and would not look like that in a real fight. |
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Martial_Artist
Pre-Black Belt
Joined: 19 Apr 2002
Posts: 935
Location: Western USA.
Styles: The Pure Art
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Posted: Thu Apr 24, 2003 9:07 pm Post subject: |
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In the movie The Hunted with Benicio Del Toro and Tommy Lee Jones they used Sayoc Kali, a Filipino Marital Art. It was not Wing Chun.
EDIT::Martial Artist:: I corrected the name of the martial art. It is not Silat Kayoc but Sayoc Kali.:: _________________ "I am enough of an artist to draw freely upon my imagination.
Imagination is more important than knowledge.
Knowledge is limited. Imagination encircles the world." Einstein
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Wing Chun
Yellow Belt
Joined: 08 Mar 2003
Posts: 47
Styles: Wing Chun
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Posted: Fri Apr 25, 2003 4:53 am Post subject: |
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thank you very much Martial Artist. Treebranch how do you feel now? as for sticky hands it is a training thing, just like shadow boxing or katas. films may show the main 'hero' or whatever use such well known training methods for effect so people know he is training for a fight. wing chun can only look good to those who are really into simple fast movements. i mean some guy walking up a tight corridor and getting rushed he might use wing chun to very swiftly deal with them. but some wing cun techniques may be used for a second but wing chun primarily??? i dont think so. people liek seeing acrobatic moves and flowery movements that LOOK efficient, whats wrong with that? i like seeing them like that aswell. but trust me wing chun cant be modified to look acrobatic. some can enjoy watching it however but please dont put it in the same category of the arts that are used in films.
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Withers M.A.A.
Brown Belt
Joined: 28 Apr 2002
Posts: 662
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Posted: Fri Apr 25, 2003 6:23 am Post subject: |
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Very good response. I wonder if that was from Jet Li himself or from a spokesperson for him. _________________ 2nd Degree black belt in Kenpo Karate and Tae Kwon Do. 1997 NASKA competitor-2nd place Nationally in Blackbelt American Forms. Firearms activist! |
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Treebranch
Black Belt
Joined: 21 Mar 2003
Posts: 2279
Location: Glendale, California USA
Styles: Budo Taijutsu, Boxing,Lars Wallin BJJ, Machado Brazilian Jiu-Jitsu, Kung Fu San Soo, Lima Lama, Taekwondo
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Posted: Fri Apr 25, 2003 3:13 pm Post subject: |
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OK my bad I was told wrong, my mistake. I didn't know it was only used for training, no hard feelings I hope. |
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Tamojin
Yellow Belt
Joined: 30 May 2003
Posts: 50
Location: Camrose, Alberta, Canada
Styles: Seven Star Praying Mantis Kung Fu
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Posted: Wed Jun 11, 2003 1:25 am Post subject: |
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Movies rarely reflect MA's accurately. Praying Mantis in movies is always way off base. The use of the mantis claw is always over- emphasized. In a movie with a kung fu hero the villains are usually Japanese and vice versa. at least in the older chinese ma films. Jet Li is a great man and chinese art advocate - his answer was very good. Bruce Lee seemed to rail against karate because that was the rage of the day i think. _________________ Empty your mind, be formless,
shapeless--like water. |
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Drunken Monkey
Black Belt
Joined: 10 Apr 2002
Posts: 3559
Location: bar italia
Styles: white chocolate profiteroles and natas....
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Posted: Wed Jun 11, 2003 8:30 am Post subject: |
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i think in general, wing chun only looks good to people who wing chun cos we appreciate more the little intricacies.
kinda like the way that the hackers will be happy to see a semi proper hack prgram used in matrix reloaded.
us wing chun guys must have got a kick form the use of bong sau and lau sau and tau sau (from seraph, the only dude in white... as you know, the classic colour of the good guy) _________________ post count is directly related to how much free time you have, not how intelligent you are.
"When you have to kill a man it costs nothing to be polite." |
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