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YoungGrasshopper
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Joined: 04 Apr 2003
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| But would Aikido work as a good DEFENSIVE tactic in a MMA competition situation? |
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superfighter
Orange Belt
Joined: 13 May 2003
Posts: 165
Location: England
Styles: judo, muay tai
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| Posted: Mon Sep 01, 2003 9:12 am Post subject: |
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| Since allot of time in the ufc is spent on the ground i still think its more beneficial to learn judo, as its more of an attacking grappling art than aikido |
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TJS
Black Belt
Joined: 27 Jan 2003
Posts: 1843
Styles: boxing, Thai boxing, BJJ,
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| Posted: Mon Sep 01, 2003 10:18 am Post subject: |
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| But would Aikido work as a good DEFENSIVE tactic in a MMA competition situation? |
No, Aikido is the type of stlye that works against drunks or untrained people. Not a trained fighter trying to knock your head off your sholders or ground and pound you to a bloody mess. |
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TURBO7
White Belt
Joined: 31 Aug 2003
Posts: 21
Styles: my style
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| Posted: Tue Sep 02, 2003 10:51 am Post subject: |
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| TJS wrote: |
| YoungGrasshopper wrote: |
| But would Aikido work as a good DEFENSIVE tactic in a MMA competition situation? |
No, Aikido is the type of stlye that works against drunks or untrained people. Not a trained fighter trying to knock your head off your sholders or ground and pound you to a bloody mess. |
...that doesn't apply to all aikido ppl. Have you seen those aikido masters??
Anyone have a suggestion on which AIkido I should choose? |
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YoungGrasshopper
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Interesting, well I've made my decision thanks to you guys  . I've decided upon practicing "Judo" to blend in with my striking abilities. w00t. |
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Treebranch
Black Belt
Joined: 21 Mar 2003
Posts: 2279
Location: Glendale, California USA
Styles: Budo Taijutsu, Boxing,Lars Wallin BJJ, Machado Brazilian Jiu-Jitsu, Kung Fu San Soo, Lima Lama, Taekwondo
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| No, Aikido is the type of stlye that works against drunks or untrained people. Not a trained fighter trying to knock your head off your sholders or ground and pound you to a bloody mess. |
You couldn't be more wrong. Aikido is not for fighting, it's for defending. Defending means to survive, not to win. If a trained fighter attacked an Aikido Master like Furuya he would find himself on the ground in pain or standing alone with no one to fight. There would be no way for the so called trained fighter to know what he's up against, unless he walked into a school and picked a fight. So basically there would be no fight. Aikido in a sense is a MA for people who don't believe in fighting. Also, depending on what type of trained fighter you are talking about. Aikido Masters are experts with certain Budo weapons and can use objects in much the same way, any object as a weapon efficiently. I wouldn't advise attacking a well trained Aikidoka. Don't be so sure about what you say. Your over confidence can be your downfall. Just some friendly advice from a fellow MA enthusiast.
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TURBO7
White Belt
Joined: 31 Aug 2003
Posts: 21
Styles: my style
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TJS wrote:
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| No, Aikido is the type of stlye that works against drunks or untrained people. Not a trained fighter trying to knock your head off your sholders or ground and pound you to a bloody mess. |
You couldn't be more wrong. Aikido is not for fighting, it's for defending. Defending means to survive, not to win. If a trained fighter attacked an Aikido Master like Furuya he would find himself on the ground in pain or standing alone with no one to fight. There would be no way for the so called trained fighter to know what he's up against, unless he walked into a school and picked a fight. So basically there would be no fight. Aikido in a sense is a MA for people who don't believe in fighting. Also, depending on what type of trained fighter you are talking about. Aikido Masters are experts with certain Budo weapons and can use objects in much the same way, any object as a weapon efficiently. I wouldn't advise attacking a well trained Aikidoka. Don't be so sure about what you say. Your over confidence can be your downfall. Just some friendly advice from a fellow MA enthusiast. |
I totally agree with ya.
I have seen this aikidoka "action" and just cause they don't have comps or anything where ppl do aikido, or a aikido comp, don't knock it till you've physicaly tried to hurt a grand master aikidoka. Good luck on that though.... |
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JohnnyS
Green Belt
Joined: 17 Mar 2003
Posts: 444
Location: Australia
Styles: BJJ, Shootfighting, TKD, Goju
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The main problem with Aikido as I see it is the practitioners and the training methods.
The few Aikido classes I've seen or participated in have been full of "hippys" and people trying to use their "ki". I showed one of these people an interview in a magazine with a 7th dan aikido master who basically said (I'm paraphrasing) "It's all about technique and Ki is not a substitute for technique" and the guy I showed the article to was not impressed.
The old guys who trained in Aikido with Ueshiba, especially when he was developing his art, used to train really hard and had developed a lot of their attributes from their training in other styles. The people who train these days (from my limited experience) don't seem to want to train that hard.
My other main gripe is the training methods, although this goes hand-in-hand with the people training as the training seems to be too soft and too co-operative. There doesn't seem to be any competitive aspect or resistance to the training. The most important aspect of an art is the set-ups. You can have the best punches, kicks or wrist-locks in the world, but if you don't have the set-ups you'll never land or apply those techniques. To get good set-ups you need to practise against a resisting opponent and see what they do to avoid your techniques, then work out your counters, or, see what they throw at you and work out your counters. If the person isn't trying to knock your head off, or defend themselves whilst you're trying to apply your techniques, then anything you do is just theory.
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TJS
Black Belt
Joined: 27 Jan 2003
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Styles: boxing, Thai boxing, BJJ,
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| Aikido is not for fighting, it's for defending |
In a Fight if one person only attacks and the other only defends it's obvious who the winner will be.
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| If a trained fighter attacked an Aikido Master like Furuya he would find himself on the ground in pain |
Cool Tell him to go win ADCC ulimited divison and prove it.
I have never seen an example of an Aikido practicioner showing it;s effectiveness against a trained fighter. im not saying it's impossible but i will remain a bit skeptical especially considering the countless storys i have heard about aikido guys getting pounded on by various People.
there are alsotwo former aikido practicioners at my school and both of them agree it's really not practical in a real fight. |
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Treebranch
Black Belt
Joined: 21 Mar 2003
Posts: 2279
Location: Glendale, California USA
Styles: Budo Taijutsu, Boxing,Lars Wallin BJJ, Machado Brazilian Jiu-Jitsu, Kung Fu San Soo, Lima Lama, Taekwondo
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You missed the point entirely TJS. Aikidoka don't need to prove anything to anyone, they don't claim to be the biggest and baddest. Have one of the those guys attack a Grand Master and see what happens. Former Aikido practitioners aren't Masters of it, are they. I say if you survive an attack, you are the winner. Staying alive is more important then winning. Wouldn't you agree?
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