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SBN Doug
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 Posted: Wed May 14, 2003 7:09 am Post subject: Need help finding a thread |
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O.k. guys, I need your help. I'm not sure if the thread was in this forum, comparative, or combative. However, it was concerning JJ, so I'll ask for help here.
I was reading it about a week ago, and forgot the style of JJ it referenced, and I had wanted to look up more info on it. The post in question was one of our members talking about how he takes BJJ, and either his father of grandfather has taken a TJJ for years. This style of TJJ takes a looong time to become proficient, and everytime the BJJer tried to put his family member is a hold, the elder would activate a couple pressure points to loosen the hold.
One of my favorite parts of my art is the use of pressure points as an addition to my other techniques, and I wanted to read up more on the form of JJ.
Spark anyone's memory?
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devilthaiboxer
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| Posted: Wed May 14, 2003 10:31 am Post subject: |
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was it atemi ryu ju jitsu i havn't read the thread but atemi is vital point striking . hope this helps
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SBN Doug
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| Posted: Wed May 14, 2003 11:00 am Post subject: |
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It's possible, but mine is a Korean art. So, anything Japanese sounds alike to me. 
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TJS
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Yoshin-Ryu Ju Jitsu
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Perhaps one of the most dangerous martial arts ever encountered is also one of the forefathers: Yoshin-Ryu Ju Jitsu. YRJJ is the original form of Japanese Ju Jitsu, and it is the basis for all other Japanese martial arts, from Karate to Kendo to Judo. Yoshin-Ryu, along with many other forms of Japanese Ju Jitsu, teaches: Submission fighting, grappling, clinching, throws and takedowns, striking (knees, elbows, kicks and punches), weapons use, pressure point manipulation, anatomical understanding, and, more controversially, "dim mak", or death touches. All of this is learned, and it takes many, many years for someone to achieve the purple belt (equiv. to black in other arts), often 12-15 years.
My father is a fourth degree Purple in Yoshin-Ryu, and I have dabbled myself in many arts and trained with him. I am now studying Muay Thai and Brazilian Ju Jitsu under a Romero Cavalcanti certified Brown Belt...and it doesn't do jack against my 64 year old father. I am 22. And it is interesting to note how he fights, when we fool around and such. Attempting armbars on someone who knows Pressure points and can toy with your sciatic nerve (and does!) gives you, as a grappler, a new appreciation for the depth of ground combat. and I have learned countless alternate ways to apply ankle locks, heel hooks, and triangles that leave me in awe of their effectiveness. All from the supposedly "obsolete" style of JJJ.
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SBN Doug
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| Posted: Wed May 14, 2003 1:26 pm Post subject: |
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Perfect.
Thank you.
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JohnnyS
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I'm highly sceptical of this. I've had people try and do pressure points on me and it's little more than annoying.
My instructor wrestled with Vince Morris, the British Shotokan karateka who is into pressure points in a big way and does seminars. He couldn't do anything against my instructor. Do not think you're going to defeat BJJ with pressure points.
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karate_woman
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As this is how the original poster described the techniques of his Dad's JJ style:
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| Submission fighting, grappling, clinching, throws and takedowns, striking (knees, elbows, kicks and punches), weapons use, pressure point manipulation, anatomical understanding, and, more controversially, "dim mak", or death touches. |
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I think they would tend to agree with you; it doesn't seem to rely soley on pressure points.
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SBN Doug
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Nor do we. They are only a tool to aid in loosening a grip, aiding in joint angle set up, etc.
I have had them performed correctly on me, and they can cause an entire limb to go limp.
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1ONEfighting
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Fear the death touch!
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JohnnyS
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Pressure points don't do anything - at least in a grappling situation. Techniques that rely on pain should not be relied on. You'd be better off spending your time learning proper escapes than thinking that grabbing my leg and squeezing will save you from my armbar.
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on the post.
