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amolao
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PostPosted: Tue Jan 28, 2014 7:16 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I tried a trial of Aikido @ my local dojo but it seems I just couldn't get it the instructors were very qualified in fact they trained in Japan but the truth is I can't see myself in a real combat situation doing those fancy moves. I was told O'Sensei watered down a lot from Daito-Ryu and I also noticed they put to much emphasis on the spiritual part it freak me out kneeling in front of a image of Usheiba being a Christian.
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PostPosted: Thu Jan 30, 2014 4:20 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I don't think O-Sensei watered anything down. He changed his approach to training over time, but during his time, he was a very formidable Martial Artist, with very good, sound technique.

The problem I have seen in Aikido is the training concepts of the uke blending with the nage, and offering very little, if any resistance, in training. I think there are a lot of good concepts in the training, but learning to apply it effectively against a resisting opponent is not something seen in a lot of dojo.
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PostPosted: Thu Jan 30, 2014 5:05 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Not being an Aikidoist, I'm thinking that the unresisting training of the Uke is cool while ones learning the mechanic and the like of it. Possibly, the "go with it" to avoid any injuries, that I'm sure would occur at full speed/power/etc.

As you know, Brian, we teach both unresisting as well as resisting training because it's important to know what to do when things don't work out as they do on the floor.

Teach=unresisting
Application=resist

However, when it's time to test the application, do not do it in such a way that injuries will occur. There's a difference from experiencing the application than from seriously injuring the student. Of the latter, there's no excuse for that from anybody, especially an instructor of the MA.



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PostPosted: Thu Jan 30, 2014 5:09 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Injuries can be avoided if the trainers are being smart about their training. In Aikido, they tend to create a lot of energy in the way they attack. Changing the attacks will change the energy provided, and also change the way the defenses work.
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PostPosted: Thu Jan 30, 2014 5:14 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

bushido_man96 wrote:
Injuries can be avoided if the trainers are being smart about their training. In Aikido, they tend to create a lot of energy in the way they attack. Changing the attacks will change the energy provided, and also change the way the defenses work.

I concur!!

Notice, when watching an Aikido demo, that the Uke "goes with it", right. I think they're doing that to keep themselves from being broken. It's the..."go with it, or you'll get hurt" thing, and that's what a Aikido demo looks like to me.

Makes me wonder if the Aikido master would torque "all the way" to ensure the success of said throw, while the Uke starts to seriously resist? I don't know!

Serious resisting might cause the Aikido master to seriously torque.



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Harkon72
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PostPosted: Sun May 11, 2014 4:45 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Well as the Saying goes "If you can't beat them, join them!"

I've just joined a local Aikido club; The Sensei is a good one, so I believe it may pay off. watch this space.
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PostPosted: Mon May 12, 2014 12:25 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

That's great. Let us know how it goes, and your thoughts on training.
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PostPosted: Tue May 13, 2014 2:16 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I train karate and I decided to try aikido. I only did like 10 lessons, it was fun and I learned lot of new things but I broke my arm (not during training) so I had to stop, and now I'm a bit afraid to go back to aikido.
In my opinion it adds a lot to karate, and is very usefull in self defence or for kata aplications.
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PostPosted: Tue May 13, 2014 3:51 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Tonight was a very positive experience; High Light - Meeting real martial artists. Low point - being corrected for "Admiring your Technique" by one of the elder masters. Over all I can't wait to go back.
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PostPosted: Tue May 13, 2014 5:48 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I'm studying both now, and Aikido is complimenting my karate brilliantly. All in all it is rounding off elements that basic karate ignores and brings the whole system into a cohesive whole.
Aikido starts off harder than karate - in karate you start off learning drills and carry on, and its only at black belt that you realise that you've done everything wrong and there's a whole can of worms that you didn't even realise you opened. In aikido you seem to be thrown into the deep end right at the start and that feeling never goes away.
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