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patusai
Black Belt
Joined: 11 Nov 2005
Posts: 1648
Location: Palos Hills, IL
Styles: So Ryu, Shorin Ryu, Isshin Ryu
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Many Masters prefer not to be called master. For example I began karate with a guy who is not a 8th degree in another style and his students refer to him as Sensei. He does not allow them to refer to him as master.
To answer your question, if the word Master is difficult for you to say to soemone there are japanese versions of respect that can be spoken---if that helps. |
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IcemanSK
Black Belt
Joined: 12 Oct 2005
Posts: 1084
Location: Los Angeles, CA
Styles: Taekwondo Chung Do Kwan
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| Posted: Mon Nov 14, 2005 2:18 pm Post subject: |
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| patusai wrote: |
Many Masters prefer not to be called master. For example I began karate with a guy who is not a 8th degree in another style and his students refer to him as Sensei. He does not allow them to refer to him as master.
To answer your question, if the word Master is difficult for you to say to soemone there are japanese versions of respect that can be spoken---if that helps. |
I think the reason I got caught up in it was the English word, master. Someone asked if it bothered me that a master electrician fixed my wall socket. The difference is, I've never met one who wants to be called, Master Smith.
While I've comes to terms with it, (even in English) the Korean & Japanese words do sound more natural.
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Balrog
Orange Belt
Joined: 31 Oct 2005
Posts: 104
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| Posted: Thu Nov 17, 2005 7:51 pm Post subject: |
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| Master is an earned title. A Christian would have no problem calling someone Dr. Smith; if Dr. Smith happened to be a master instructor, there should be no problem in calling him Master Smith in the school. |
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MartialArthur
Orange Belt
Joined: 26 Oct 2005
Posts: 161
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| Posted: Thu Nov 17, 2005 11:17 pm Post subject: |
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| The fundamentalist Christians that I have heard object to the title of "Master" refer to Mathew 6:24 "No one can serve two masters". Of course this is a ridiculous argument. |
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MasterH
Green Belt
Joined: 20 Jul 2005
Posts: 477
Location: Pacific Northwest
Styles: Hwa-Rang TKD, ITF, ATA TKD
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I'll just say that I feel that the martial art "master" is a rank, I was elevated to that rank last July. I'm also a Lutheran, and go to church. People that I've known have had some issues with me as a "master" but not for religious reasons. Outside of church, when involved with the martial art of your choice, I think the title should be respected. I tell you what though, I don't know what I'm going to do the first time someone calls me "master" at the church........there can be only one master at that house, I'll be waiting for the lightning bolt.
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IcemanSK
Black Belt
Joined: 12 Oct 2005
Posts: 1084
Location: Los Angeles, CA
Styles: Taekwondo Chung Do Kwan
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| MasterH wrote: |
| I'll just say that I feel that the martial art "master" is a rank, I was elevated to that rank last July. I'm also a Lutheran, and go to church. People that I've known have had some issues with me as a "master" but not for religious reasons. Outside of church, when involved with the martial art of your choice, I think the title should be respected. I tell you what though, I don't know what I'm going to do the first time someone calls me "master" at the church........there can be only one master at that house, I'll be waiting for the lightning bolt. |
The lightning bolt in church won't happen. You're a master in the dojang. You know that, & God knows that, too. You come across as a level-headed, decent guy, MasterH. You know who is master of what.
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MasterH
Green Belt
Joined: 20 Jul 2005
Posts: 477
Location: Pacific Northwest
Styles: Hwa-Rang TKD, ITF, ATA TKD
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Darn toot'n I know. I am in the dojo, my wife (1st Degree) is at home, and Jesus is anywhere he wants to be.
Can I get an Amen?!
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IcemanSK
Black Belt
Joined: 12 Oct 2005
Posts: 1084
Location: Los Angeles, CA
Styles: Taekwondo Chung Do Kwan
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Darn toot'n I know. I am in the dojo, my wife (1st Degree) is at home, and Jesus is anywhere he wants to be.
Can I get an Amen?! |
Amen, Brother! At home, I know who "the boss of me" is too. Seriously, she's a good woman. We both call Jesus, Master, tho.
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bald1rides
White Belt
Joined: 23 Feb 2005
Posts: 22
Styles: Kenpo
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No problem calling the guy "Mr." but have a problem with "Master". Due to religious convictions from a 2000 (ish) year young religion. Aside from the fact that the word is being used in a completely different context and the English language is rich in contextual meaning, have a boo at this.
http://www.randomhouse.com/wotd/index.pperl?date=19991021
check out what "Mr." meant before the 16th century. Close to the bottom of the page. And stop blaming "faith" for something you can resolve with common sense.
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Gen_Tora
Orange Belt
Joined: 27 Nov 2005
Posts: 106
Location: West Virginia
Styles: Omoto (Gen Tora) Ryu Ninjitsu, Shotokan, Black Dragon Goju & Jujitsu
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Well my 3 cents is this. If some "maturity lacking over fantsized religious zealot" wants to split hairs over the bible. The here is my opinion, 1) God is refered to as our heavenly father so does me calling my birth father dad become hereacy? 2) If so them the pope (derived from latin meaning father) or anytime someone refers to a priest as "father" they are "sinning." The aposles called those they spoke with as brothers & where never called "father" so & so. So does that make the christian religion tainted?
Then while they are making excuses I simply point out that we are all the children of god & whether you call any man lord, king, father, dad or master it is only a title of respect. |
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on the post.
