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50inches
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PostPosted: Tue Jan 29, 2008 5:39 am    Post subject: Defending the Groinkick? Reply with quote

What do you think is the best way to defend a groinkick? Some martial arts like burmese boxing that allow groin kicking, should be better at defending it than anybody in my opinion.
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cross
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PostPosted: Tue Jan 29, 2008 6:53 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

The first, and most important step, is standing in a position that moves your groin out of the line of fire. I.e. 45 degree bladed stance with the toe of your lead feet pointed inwards slightly. This protects most of the groin and makes it much less of a target.
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PostPosted: Wed Jan 30, 2008 1:06 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Cross has a good start. You should practice turning your lead knee inward so that you can defend the strike as it comes in.
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PostPosted: Wed Jan 30, 2008 9:36 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I don't agree. That stance only works if your opponent has sloppy technique and poor accuracy.

We use the shin to block a groin kick (yeah it hurts...until you get used to it.) That, and a sweeping kick where your foot comes up and crosses in front of the opposite knee. This is a good technique because when you catch his kick then put your foot on the ground, it spins your opponent and causes them to lose balance, possibly fall.

The technique is hard to describe, but it's the "knee slapping" technique found in Nahachin 1.
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PostPosted: Thu Jan 31, 2008 12:12 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Very nice, Montana. I can see the usefulness of the move.
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PostPosted: Thu Feb 28, 2008 1:59 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

shin block most definetly
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PostPosted: Thu Feb 28, 2008 3:48 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Stance is very important, if you have good stance then you should be fine. Just use your knee in a sweaping motion to block the kick.
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PostPosted: Thu Feb 28, 2008 6:01 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I'm with cross on this one, bending the knees can be done very quickly, and if it is self defence, the technique and speed are likely to be slow anyway. Although not always.
I would just like to throw in there, that whenever I have defended against an attack against the groin, it has been very quickly.
It seems that with some training, it is quite an easy place to defend (in the above mentioned ways).
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PostPosted: Thu Feb 28, 2008 3:20 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Yea true , well its the same with any move once you learn it and program it into your head it will become easy to do.
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PostPosted: Thu May 15, 2008 11:28 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

We tend to kick at the groin quite a bit. Stance is a great place to start, I go with cross here, bladed to about 45 degrees.

I turn my lead foot in just a hair (almost like a slightly wider seanchin sp? stance), then when I lift the fron leg in response. This allows the knee and shin to cover teh approach to the groin quickly and efficiently.
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