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karatefox
Yellow Belt
Joined: 11 May 2003
Posts: 36
Styles: karate, kenpo.
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 Posted: Sun May 11, 2003 6:54 pm Post subject: Do blackbelts have a responsibility to.... |
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help someone in trouble? 
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TJS
Black Belt
Joined: 27 Jan 2003
Posts: 1843
Styles: boxing, Thai boxing, BJJ,
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| no, not if it means they are going ot be the one in trouble...I know it sounds like a bad thing...but if you see 15 guys beating someone up and try to stop them it's going ot end up 12 guys beating 2 guys up..but it's a personal decision..if you feel you can help without putting youselef in a huge amount of danger than i would. |
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SBN Doug
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Joined: 04 Nov 2001
Posts: 3767
Location: Houston, TX
Styles: Kuk Sool Won
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Depends on what you consider "help".
I think everyone, not just BBs, have a moral responsibility to help where we can. In TJSs example, call the police, etc.
Do you mean get physically involved? Then I say no. In a lot of arts, BB is only a full understanding of the basics. They might not even be qualified to handle some one-on-ones.
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G95champ
Black Belt
Joined: 29 Mar 2002
Posts: 3116
Location: Gilbert WV, USA
Styles: Shotokan Karate (FSKA)
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I think anyone does....
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Kyle-san
Brown Belt
Joined: 09 Sep 2002
Posts: 735
Location: Brandon, Manitoba
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| Posted: Sun May 11, 2003 9:27 pm Post subject: |
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I agree. A good example of anyone helping someone else is people that are stalled on the side of the road. Most just drive on by them when all it would take would be a 5 minute stop to lend them a cell phone or whatever.
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monkeygirl
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Joined: 22 Feb 2002
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Location: Iowa
Styles: Tae Kwon Do
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Maybe I've been watching too much Seinfeld, but aren't there some kind of Good Samaritan laws? You're required to report a crime when you see it and help if at all possible, if I'm correct.
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karate_woman
Pre-Black Belt
Joined: 11 Apr 2003
Posts: 863
Location: Ontario Canada
Styles: Kickboxing,Okinawan Goju Ryu Karate, Judo, JuJitsu,T'ai Chi, QiGong
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Here the Good Samaritan Laws are basically just designed so that Good Samaritans that offer first aid assistance aren't sued by the victim (unless they acted unreasonably).
After a quick search on the internet, I found that yes, there are a few States in the U.S. that have laws like monkeygirl is describing (Massachusetts, Minnesota, Rhode Island and Vermont), and a couple others that have introduced similar bills. They don't force the person to put themselves into danger (ie intervene in a violent attack), but make it so they have to report it.
As for whether a blackbelt should intervene or not, I don't think that just because I have a blackbelt I'm suddenly a superhero or anything. I think my obligation would be similar to anyone else's.
In some situations, you might think it is time to intervene, when the people involved don't agree...my Sensei has had situations where he tried to intervene and ended up being attacked by both the "victim" and the "attacker".
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paolung
Orange Belt
Joined: 14 Apr 2003
Posts: 160
Location: Texas
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Texas also has a "good samaritan law".
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Tombstone
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Joined: 24 Dec 2002
Posts: 408
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| I think everyone has a responsibility to help other people. |
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kenpo4life
Blue Belt
Joined: 14 Oct 2002
Posts: 279
Location: Hayward, Ca
Styles: Kenpo
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Paolung,
DO you work out with Sifu Dave Lacey? my friend used to a while back. He is quite a guy!
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