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Reklats
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Joined: 24 Sep 2003
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| Chamber to look good in forms. In a fight I'd rather have my hands between my head and my opponent. |
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Sasori_Te
Black Belt
Joined: 15 Aug 2003
Posts: 1116
Location: Near Akron Ohio
Styles: Kempo and Kobudo
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| Posted: Sat Sep 27, 2003 7:35 am Post subject: |
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Reklats. The chamber in form has nothing to do with looking good. The chamber represents a number of different ideas on a number of different levels. Remember, there is no wasted movement in a traditional form.
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Reklats
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| Posted: Sun Sep 28, 2003 8:26 pm Post subject: |
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| I disagree. Look at the way you walk. It's definately inefficient. |
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AnonymousCoward
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Joined: 14 Jan 2003
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| Posted: Mon Sep 29, 2003 8:40 am Post subject: |
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| From what I am aware, the walk in a traditional Taekwon-Do / karate form means that your rear leg passes your front leg closely and then arcs out, allowing it to be used as a sweep to open up your opponent. It also raises your centre of gravity so that you can drop it when you strike. |
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Reklats
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| Posted: Mon Sep 29, 2003 12:21 pm Post subject: |
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| I'm not trying to be mean or anything, but neither of those reasons make any sense. |
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Sasori_Te
Black Belt
Joined: 15 Aug 2003
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Location: Near Akron Ohio
Styles: Kempo and Kobudo
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| Posted: Mon Sep 29, 2003 3:15 pm Post subject: |
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For the first reason view previous posts as to what the hand chamber can represent.
As for walking in kata being inefficient. It comes loosely from the Chinese styles and allows you to shift your weight completely to one leg while stepping so that you are more stable if you are attacked while stepping. The crescent step also allows you to shift your weight into your strike as you complete the step. This is true for most karate styles as well as tae kwon do.
Just because you don't understand it doesn't mean there isn't a reason for it. Ask or do some research before you knock it.
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kempocos
Orange Belt
Joined: 12 Aug 2003
Posts: 241
Styles: RYUKYU KEMPO,MODERN ARNIS, ISSHINRYU,
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Reklats - perhaps if you could offer any information as abasis for your statements.
Sasori_te - once again you save me from having to reswpond. thanks.
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Drunken Monkey
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Joined: 10 Apr 2002
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Location: bar italia
Styles: white chocolate profiteroles and natas....
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| Posted: Mon Sep 29, 2003 5:10 pm Post subject: |
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and if you think we, as martial artists, would fight using things exactly as they are done in forms, then you have so much more to learn.
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Reklats
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| Posted: Mon Sep 29, 2003 5:46 pm Post subject: |
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| kempocos wrote: |
Reklats - perhaps if you could offer any information as abasis for your statements.
Sasori_te - once again you save me from having to reswpond. thanks. |
AnonymousCoward said that the steps were a "sweep to open up your opponent", and so you could "raise your centre of gravity so that you can drop it when you strike".
How is either of those so? Sasori_te didn't support either of AnonymousCoward's arguents, he just added two of his own.
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| and if you think we, as martial artists, would fight using things exactly as they are done in forms, then you have so much more to learn. |
Why not practice it like you're going to perform it?
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The crescent step also allows you to shift your weight into your strike as you complete the step. This is true for most karate styles as well as tae kwon do.
Just because you don't understand it doesn't mean there isn't a reason for it. Ask or do some research before you knock it. |
Why shift your weight when striking? Wouldn't it be more "efficient" to push off with your back leg than to bring it forward with your hand?
Sorry if I offended you, that was my way of asking, I guess. You shouldn't get insulted when you make statements that require a deal of explanation like "there is no wasted movement in forms" and people question you. |
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Drunken Monkey
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| Posted: Mon Sep 29, 2003 6:15 pm Post subject: |
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and if i have to answer this then you know less than i thought.
it isn't about not practicing how it is performed but rather that what we practice isn't always how it is performed.
there's a thread somewhere here about forms. go find it, have a read.
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