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MizuRyu
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PostPosted: Wed Oct 19, 2005 7:15 pm    Post subject: Ninpo Reply with quote

Who here knows anything about it? From what I understand it's structured around finger and hand positions that have some sort of correlation chi and focus.
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PostPosted: Thu Oct 20, 2005 3:09 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Um... no
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PostPosted: Thu Oct 20, 2005 6:08 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

You mean the 85 Different mystic hand positions?

The key nine being: "Rin, Pyo, Toh, Sha, Kai, Chin, Retsu, Zai, Zen"

They are Ninpo, yes. Ninpo is a form of magic used by the Ninja.
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PostPosted: Thu Oct 20, 2005 6:09 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

To Water Dragon:

You study Ninjitsu? I study Ninjitsu and I have a vast knowledge on the subject, Is this the only thing that you want to ask about the Ninja?
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PostPosted: Thu Oct 20, 2005 10:46 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

the Kuji or hand postures arent necesarily for ninja magic they are more for focus and concetration or even to fake out an opponent alot of ppl's knowlage of the kuji are from Steven Hayes books, video games, movies, and comic books.

Now the Question is am i lying to you or telling the truth ninja mind trick mwahahahahahahaha
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PostPosted: Thu Oct 20, 2005 11:04 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Taku... may i ask where you obtained your information?
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PostPosted: Tue Oct 25, 2005 1:35 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Taku-Shimazu wrote:
You mean the 85 Different mystic hand positions?

The key nine being: "Rin, Pyo, Toh, Sha, Kai, Chin, Retsu, Zai, Zen"

They are Ninpo, yes. Ninpo is a form of magic used by the Ninja.


Interesting. I would too like to know more!
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PostPosted: Tue Oct 25, 2005 2:20 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

It is not ninpo, it is 81 (not 85), and it was first presented as 'ninjutsu' by Ashida Kim in his book "Secrets of the Ninja." Since then it has become 'attributed' to ninjutsu, but that is incorrect. It is an esoteric form of Buddhism.

More specifics can be provided but it is not ninpo. Let's just make that point clear.

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PostPosted: Wed Oct 26, 2005 10:06 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

White Warlock wrote:
It is not ninpo, it is 81 (not 85), and it was first presented as 'ninjutsu' by Ashida Kim in his book "Secrets of the Ninja." Since then it has become 'attributed' to ninjutsu, but that is incorrect. It is an esoteric form of Buddhism.

More specifics can be provided but it is not ninpo. Let's just make that point clear.

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yea ninpo has close ties to Shnito and Buhddist religions doing the kuji dont mean anything if you dont know the meaning of it
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PostPosted: Wed Oct 26, 2005 2:00 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

The following is from my own collection of notes and general information regarding Budo Taijutsu, previously known as Ninjutsu. Most of the following came about during a conversation with a fellow Martial Art researcher.

The following are the official schools or ryu of Budo Taijjutsu, formerly known as Ninjutsu.

* Togakure Ryu Ninpo "Hidden Door School"
Gyokko Ryu Kosshijutsu "Jeweled Tiger School"
Koto Ryu Koppojutsu "Tiger Toppling School"
Shinden Fudo Ryu Daken Taijutsu "Immoveable Heart School"
Kukishinden Ryu Taijutsu "Nine Demons School"
Takagi Yoshin Ryu Jutaijutsu "High Tree / Raised Heart School"
* Kumogakure Ryu Ninpo 'Hiding In The Clouds School"
* Gyokushin Ryu Ninpo "Jeweled Heart School"
Gikan Ryu Koppojutsu "Truth & Justice School"

* These three are of the Ninjutsu tradition, and the rest are of the Samurai arts.

The 9 Traditional Ryu of Budo Taijutsu fall under the auspicious care of the Bujinkan. Nin-jutsu is the physical aspect Budo Taijutsu, wherease Nin-po is the spiritual side.

Budo Taijutsu is a complete martial art. Indeed, it incorporates strikes, punches, kicks, throws, locks, tumbling, weaponry, stealth, meditation, spiritual empowerment, and a literally unlimited universe of variations of those techniques.

Budo Taijutsu literal means, "'body arts of the martial path'", but has an alternative meaning of "The Art of Distance".

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The Training System

The training follows a historic-honored tradition of instructing students in the nine 'kyu' and fifteen 'dan' blocks of knowledge, a measured progression that allows the student to learn through experience and build upon a firm foundation that is rooted in self-awareness, self-knowledge, and personal growth.

Each of the 'kyu' are based on one of the five elemental responses, of which the 'Go-Dai' theory of five elements is comprised. Each level thereof offers instruction in the following topics:

Mind and body harmonizing postures
Mind and body energy awareness skills
Emergency medical treatment skills
Emergency survival skills
Physical capabilities cultivation
Body movement skills
Unarmed combat striking skills
Unarmed combat grappling skills
Self-protection combat weapons

The kyu fall into the following order:

9th kyu through 6th kyu (Basic Green Belt)
5th kyu (Intermediate Green Belt)
4th kyu through 1st kyu (Advanced Green Belt)

1st dan through 5th dan - Heaven
6th dan through 10th dan - Earth
11th dan through 15th dan - Man

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Heaven, Earth, and Man, relating to balance, harmony, yin/yang, and so on. Holistically, they represent the completeness, and yet the never-ending cycle of both opposing, and complimentary viewpoints on life, ninpo, and the art of fighting. Technically they relate to the traditional shoden, chuden, and okuden levels of training.

There are 18 skills passed down to each Budo Taijutsu practitioner:

Seishin teki kyoyo (spiritual refinement)
Taijutsu (unarmed combat)
Ninja ken (ninja sword)
Bojutsu (stick and staff fighting)
Shurikenjutsu (throwing blades)
Yarijutsu (spear fighting)
Naginatajutsu (halberd fighting)
Kusarigama (chain and sickle weapon)
Kayakujutsu (fire and explosives)
Hensojutsu (disguise and impersonation)
Shinobi iri (stealth and entering methods)
Bajutsu (horsemanship)
Sui ren (water training)
Bo-ryaku (strategy)
Cho ho (espionage)
Intonjutsu (escape and concealment)
Ten-mon (meteorology)
Chi-mon (geography)

Seishin teki kyoyo is one of the first skills learned, which when narrowed down, is mikkyo or esoteric buddhism. This is better term to use, as opposed to 'ninja magic'.

Mikkyo is taught under Seishin teki kyoyo. Within mikkyo, we have Kuji Kiri, or mind powers of the ninja, which include; Rin, Pyo, Toh, Sha, Kai, Jin, Retsu, Sai, Zen, Juji. The Kuji-Kiri is very closely linked with the Kuji-In, so close than many people confuse the two. Both are said to have been introduced into Japan with Buddhism.

In the Kuji-In the fingers are used to invoke the nine levels of power used by the Ninja and Samurai. In reality, the signs are pieces of mudra (a Sanskrit word meaning , gestures formed with the hands).

However, there is energy involved, and this is part of the process of connection mind and body, while understanding qi, and qi movement, etc.

The way you hold your hand is not as important as the feeling you get when you do it ~ that generates the power. But if you don't have anything linked to that unique feeling you won't get a response. Again, mind and body.

Kuji Kiri act as triggers.

In many ways, Budo Taijutsu is a mixed system of both internal (such as found in Taijiquan, Baquazhang), and eternal, such as found in daito ryu Jujutsu, karate, Wushu (the martial aspect of CMA not the dance), Budo, and so on. However, this is my own analysis, and is open to some scrutiny.

Well, there are only so many ways to state the same information found throughout historic literature, and spoke of in conversation, technical books, etc.

One could always google search on:

bujinkan
budo taijutsu
ninjutsu
ninpo

That should be enough for now.



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