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MasterPain
Black Belt
Joined: 26 Oct 2010
Posts: 1949
Location: Parts Unknown
Styles: Bujin Bugei Jutsu, Backyard Kali, Satsui no Hadou
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www.youtube.com/watch?v=LRpBAHDR1-Q
Here ya go. This is at the end of class and just showing a concept. This should be done with headgear, shinguards, elbow pads and such so you can blast each other a bit.
Edit: I'm the bald guy who does the Roy Nelson diet.
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tallgeese
Black Belt
Joined: 04 May 2008
Posts: 6879
Location: McHenry County, IL
Styles: Brazilian Jiu Jitsu, Bujin Bugei Jutsu, Gokei Ryu Kempo Jutsu, MMA, Shootfighting, boxing, kickboxing, JKD, Pekiti Tersia Kali
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| Posted: Fri May 27, 2011 1:16 pm Post subject: |
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Nice. I love the idea of putting up video to describe this sort of thing to each other.
I like the emphasis on controlling the barrel while striking. We, as martial artist, usually do one or the other very well. As you point out, both need to be done.
This is one situation where I really do believe in a) two weapons to one, in other words, both of your hands on one of his and b) wrist manipulation work via joint position.
Both of these are questionable at best to me. However, when you're dealing with a weapon in the other guys hands, it become the be all and end all of your universe. All else is secondary to controlling that. Hence, both of these items become acceptable.
Great vid. |
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Montana
Pre-Black Belt
Joined: 18 Apr 2007
Posts: 883
Location: Formerly Kalispell, Montana, now Spokane, WA
Styles: Shorin Ryu Matsumura Kenpo & Kobudo
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| Posted: Fri May 27, 2011 5:09 pm Post subject: |
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| tallgeese wrote: |
| This is one situation where I really do believe in a) two weapons to one, in other words, both of your hands on one of his and b) wrist manipulation work via joint position. |
Ummm..pardon me, but don't you mean 8 or 9 to one? Are we forgetting feet, knees, elbows and head butts? How about some good hip throws?
Once you have relative control ofthe weapon you don't just want to stand there and gloat about it..you need to do something! 
Stomp his foot, knee his groin/stomach, short kick the sides of his knees, elbow into his elbows or head/face.
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tallgeese
Black Belt
Joined: 04 May 2008
Posts: 6879
Location: McHenry County, IL
Styles: Brazilian Jiu Jitsu, Bujin Bugei Jutsu, Gokei Ryu Kempo Jutsu, MMA, Shootfighting, boxing, kickboxing, JKD, Pekiti Tersia Kali
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| Posted: Fri May 27, 2011 5:58 pm Post subject: |
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Right.
I'm taking about how I never like to commit both of my hands to control one of his. It open up too many avenues of attack. It's part of the reason I'd don't like wrist manipulation a whole lot.
However, I make an exception for weapons related stuff. Of course strike heavy defenses are a must. I agree. It's more of a concept I like to adhere to when prioritizing my actions. |
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Ashley
Yellow Belt
Joined: 21 May 2011
Posts: 50
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I saw a tv program not so long ago where they said that it's always better not to try to disarm an attacker with a gun. In real life situation I mean.
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JusticeZero
Black Belt
Joined: 02 Apr 2005
Posts: 2166
Location: AK
Styles: Capoeira Angola
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| Posted: Sat May 28, 2011 7:33 am Post subject: |
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And what, pray tell, did the TV show advise doing instead? Say, in cases where the attacker is trying to force you to move to a second location which you should always assume will result in a torturous and utterly certain death?
Personally, I tried to teach the people who listened to me that if a criminal tried to get you to go to another place, that they were to immediately go to "lethal force encouraged" and feel free to use low percentage techniques if necessary, with failure being completely off the table. Since honestly, if they tried an escape and were shot in the process, they would still be in a better situation than if they had gone with them.
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tallgeese
Black Belt
Joined: 04 May 2008
Posts: 6879
Location: McHenry County, IL
Styles: Brazilian Jiu Jitsu, Bujin Bugei Jutsu, Gokei Ryu Kempo Jutsu, MMA, Shootfighting, boxing, kickboxing, JKD, Pekiti Tersia Kali
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I'm a hundred percent with Justice on this one. I'll comply as best as possible to not have to attempt any sort of disarm with an armed attacker. The deck is significantly stacked against your odds of success.
However, there are triggers that mandate action. One is certainly being moved from one local to another. This does not bode well for how things will end for you. Another would be an increasingly irrational hostage taker.
I think we can all agree that the best case scenario is not to be there in the first place via awareness, smart choices on your part, ect. However, given that worst case situations do occur, a little thought on the matter and training in them prior to an incident can go a long way in getting you through a worst case in one piece.
One of the big things to think about with this type of training is total commitment to your objective once you initiate movement. This is not the time for half measures or non-confident skill use. Nor is it time for anything but full throttle aggression once you begin. This mindset is an absolute must.
This does not mean physical training should be out of had or reckless, but that mentally one must be making the leap to dismantling an attacker. It means you accepting that YOU are becoming the attacker and responding as such. |
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MasterPain
Black Belt
Joined: 26 Oct 2010
Posts: 1949
Location: Parts Unknown
Styles: Bujin Bugei Jutsu, Backyard Kali, Satsui no Hadou
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| Posted: Sat May 28, 2011 7:38 pm Post subject: |
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| tallgeese wrote: |
| However, there are triggers that mandate action. One is certainly being moved from one local to another. This does not bode well for how things will end for you. |
Read up on David Parker Ray. That's just one example.
As Herman Munster said in Pet Semetary, "Sometimes dead is better."
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The BB of C
Black Belt
Joined: 11 Feb 2007
Posts: 1264
Location: Orlando, Florida
Styles: Kuk Sool Won, Isshin-ryu, Capoeira, Brazillian Jiu Jutsu, Judo
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| Posted: Sat May 28, 2011 8:10 pm Post subject: |
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| MasterPain, that was a great video. Thank you for posting. |
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MasterPain
Black Belt
Joined: 26 Oct 2010
Posts: 1949
Location: Parts Unknown
Styles: Bujin Bugei Jutsu, Backyard Kali, Satsui no Hadou
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| The BB of C wrote: |
| MasterPain, that was a great video. Thank you for posting. |
Thanks. We have very few students over here, and years of training. So it's nice to have a medium in which we can share with others.
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on the post.
