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PostPosted: Sun Oct 06, 2019 7:04 pm    Post subject: Timing Is Everything? Reply with quote

Timing is everything, especially in a fight, do you agree?

Being in the right place at the right time, positioning and landing strikes and not getting hit back takes practice, how do you practice your timing?

Is timing something you practice?
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PostPosted: Mon Oct 07, 2019 12:48 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I'd say that timing is one of many things that is important in self-defense and combat training. We have to look at the ability to initiate technique, action vs. reaction, and things like this. Rhythm comes into play, as well.

I think when we mention timing, the idea of countering or counter attacking comes to mind. Of great importance is being able to recognize an attack, and then being able to react. The problem with reaction is that, by it's very nature, is dependent on action. Hence the saying, "the best defense is a good offense."

Anywho, at times in our sparring drills, I like to work on some countering drills, footwork drills, and the like. One-steps help to learn timing in the old block-and-counter method, which can have it's benefits if the training progresses the right way.
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PostPosted: Mon Oct 07, 2019 1:01 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

TKD's take on timing, what do you think?
https://youtu.be/-FhKC68qIdU

Wing Chun's take on timing, what do you think?
https://youtu.be/oblm4DGaHbI

JKD's take on timing, what do you think?
https://youtu.be/ddZXcqgZXms

Muay Thai's take on timing, what do you think?
https://youtu.be/kYo8MlZdz4E

Boxing's take on timing, what do you think?
https://youtu.be/KbupxordyTk

BJJ's take on timing, what do you think?
https://youtu.be/ecz7AMez57A

Karate's take on timing, what do you think?
https://youtu.be/r5UDTOFd2GI

How to win with timing, what do you think?
https://youtu.be/oNVdoOXlkdE
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PostPosted: Fri Oct 11, 2019 6:45 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Timing is important in everything including combat, music, all kind of sports and all walks of life.
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PostPosted: Fri Oct 11, 2019 1:07 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Difficult to imagine if timing was an option for whatever it needs to be applied to. Even in things that are muscle memory driven still have a timing cadence that must be required.

Timing is the essential beat and/or rhythm that a MAist strives for because without it, movement is stalled as well as ineffective, even in its most basic action.

One of the best timing drill for a MAist is through sparring, but not just any sparring, but sparring with a resolve. Otherwise, nothing effectively can be discovered. The more one spars with resolve, the more ones timing is refined...and that, right there, is the timing that one carries into battle.



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PostPosted: Fri Oct 11, 2019 1:42 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Best timed counters in MMA, what do you think?
https://youtu.be/KXGBy611of4

Timing is my favourite thing in martial arts.

Adding accuracy with timing and some power makes all the difference.


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PostPosted: Fri Oct 11, 2019 1:56 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Alan Armstrong wrote:
Best timed counters in MMA, what do you think?
https://youtu.be/KXGBy611of4


I think it's definitely down to the individual skill and talent.
Not the form of martial arts at all.
You can have the strongest punch in the world and best looking head kick but if you can't deliver it at the right time then it could be of no use.
You can say that to a tennis player, you could have a great backhand but if you don't get there in time and hit the ball at the right time then it all goes wrong.
Same with the goalie in soccer or etc..
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PostPosted: Fri Oct 11, 2019 2:14 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Personally I like speed in techniques, not just for the sake of it but it give more opportunities; as being slow can be effective also,

With all martial artists, the best moments are those that were well timed.

A martial artist is most valuable when attacking as putting one's guard or defenses down, this could be part of the self defence aspect.

Usually timing not from luck but focusing on what mistakes the opponent is making and creating one's own opportunities, then timing one's self to make them work.

As with the saying.

"No use Closing the barn doors when the horse has bolted"

"Buy low sell high"

The best use of timing is being in the right place at the right time doing the right thing.
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PostPosted: Fri Oct 11, 2019 3:42 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Alan Armstrong wrote:
Personally I like speed in techniques, not just for the sake of it but it give more opportunities; as being slow can be effective also,

With all martial artists, the best moments are those that were well timed.

A martial artist is most valuable when attacking as putting one's guard or defenses down, this could be part of the self defence aspect.

Usually timing not from luck but focusing on what mistakes the opponent is making and creating one's own opportunities, then timing one's self to make them work.

As with the saying.

"No use Closing the barn doors when the horse has bolted"

"Buy low sell high"

The best use of timing is being in the right place at the right time doing the right thing.


Martial arts rely on speed , the only way that a smaller person can win against a larger opponent to knock him out or end the fight is to produce power through delivering good technique with great speed . ,even with great timing if you don't back it with speed in delivery and movement then you have no chance .
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PostPosted: Fri Oct 11, 2019 4:42 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Positioning is important aspect when using timing correctly, as being in the right place at the right time, this comes with experience, speed is great but there are other attributes that work well also; especially for the older maists.

For instance when seemingly blocking or deflecting I'm actually (using that time) setting myself up in a better striking position; surprise!!!

Sometimes there are moments when it is possible to use that time to rest a little while simultaneously using one's own body weight to keep the pressure on the opponent.

Being fast for some can be a disaster as over straining and reaching can be a problem, giving too much momentum with the shoulders, throwing one's own balance off.

Sometimes being slow correctly can be very helpful as balance and stability are not compromised, similar to punching a makawari, where power is rooted firmly against the ground without momentum.
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