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Drunken Monkey
Black Belt
Joined: 10 Apr 2002
Posts: 3559
Location: bar italia
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whoa people
hold on a minute
no martial art i know is or even attempts to be a religion. it is, like the name inplies an art. as it is NOT religion, all things based on or related to are not items relating to religion.
the mat in a dojo is not a religious item. you bow to it because it is tradition and a sign of respect for the art which YOU have chosen to learn. you are not worshipping the mat/ring.
pictures of past masters are not idols. they are just that, pictures of people who have learnt the art before you and have added to it's development. if you bow to it like we do in a chinese school of arts, you are not worshipping it. you are recognising that this man created the art that you have chosen to learn. in a round about way , you are bowing to your real sifu witout whom your art would not exist.
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daeinwolf
Orange Belt
Joined: 21 May 2003
Posts: 150
Location: Columbus, Ga
Styles: Fighting(MMA)
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New Age hippies will tell you that. They will even tell you to go ahead and blend whatever religon you want to make a God, because 'God' does not care how you find him.
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I am extremely offended by this post, among many of your others. I respect everyone's religious choice, but this is a grand case of bigotry. Members have repeatedly stated that it is not religious, merely respectful. If there is a problem with this then do not practice a martial art.
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*mArTiAl_GiRl*
Purple Belt
Joined: 16 Mar 2003
Posts: 500
Location: Tallinn, Estonia
Styles: Karate, Wu Shu(Kung-Fu), Tai Chi, Hapkido
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Bowing shows respect to your opponent.
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glingglo
Yellow Belt
Joined: 10 Mar 2003
Posts: 82
Styles: TKD
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| a bow is simply a gesture of respect. there is NO worship implied. NONE. it's sad that respect is such a foreign concept to some people that they can't comprehend the difference. and it's funny how it seems that the people who are most self-righteous and "offended" by being asked to use a bow to show respect are the "Christians" who's religion preaches the importance of humility and consideration for others. the irony just kills me. |
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*mArTiAl_GiRl*
Purple Belt
Joined: 16 Mar 2003
Posts: 500
Location: Tallinn, Estonia
Styles: Karate, Wu Shu(Kung-Fu), Tai Chi, Hapkido
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If you ARE a martial artist or a karateka, then bow to your Sensei and when you enter your Dojo, if you're not, then just say: hi! 
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shimatta_billa
White Belt
Joined: 08 Jun 2003
Posts: 9
Location: England
Styles: Tae Kwon Do, Shotokan Karate, Wado Ryu
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I'm religious. In my religion it is unnacceptable to bow your face to anyone except to God in prayer. However, I have no problem bowing out of respect - I simply don't show my face towards the floor (so effectively I keep my eyes forwards). No one has a problem with that, and that way I respect both the dojo and people as well as my own religion.
Bowing isn't necessarily religious, unless call someone "Sir" is religious also
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theswarm
Blue Belt
Joined: 25 Mar 2003
Posts: 280
Styles: Go-Kan-Ryu Karate, filhos di bahia Capoeira, Okinawan GoJu Ryu
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I believe it's all about context, i'm bowing to my founder because he created it and i'm using it, my sensei because he's teaching it, and i bow to everyone because i respect they are there to learn.
I'm an athiest who believes in no gods, no masters, no idols
and it doesn't in anyway infringe in my beliefs |
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ramymensa
Black Belt
Joined: 12 Aug 2002
Posts: 1450
Location: New Jersey
Styles: Shotokan
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As some of us said before, it's just respect, not worship, nothing religious, just politeness. If one doesn't want to bow, he/she won't train in Karate. It's simple. The rules are simple and few and must be obeyed. If they don't like them, there are many other styles in which you don't have to bow 
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ninjanurse
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Joined: 13 Feb 2003
Posts: 6154
Location: Upstate NY
Styles: TKD;Shotokan;JuJitsu;Tai Ji
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Yeshua preached against legalism in all aspects of our lives. That includes the martial arts. Bow out of respect for your teacher and your art!
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