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DWx
Black Belt
Joined: 17 Jan 2007
Posts: 6455
Location: UK
Styles: Tae Kwon Do & Yang family Tai Chi
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Posted: Wed Jan 30, 2013 5:12 pm Post subject: Universal Principles |
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The human body can only move in so many ways; there are only so many ways to punch, kick and grab someone. With that in mind:
What principles seem to be inherent to all (or at least most) forms of codified combat?
So for example, the vast majority of styles emphasize economical movements and encourage relaxation between techniques.
Many styles also rely on the hips and core to generate power and utilize mass so all their movements are based on this.
Of course there are also going to be systems that go against the grain and don't adhere to any rules we come up with but are there any rules which was can apply across the board?
Would be interesting to see if any trends come out of this. Is there an Eastern / Western split in terms of guiding principles? Are there splits between hard and soft styles? Circular and linear styles? _________________ "Everything has its beauty, but not everyone sees it." ~ Confucius |
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bushido_man96
KF Sensei
Joined: 31 Mar 2006
Posts: 30188
Location: Hays, KS
Styles: Taekwondo, Combat Hapkido, Aikido, GRACIE, Police Krav Maga, SPEAR
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Posted: Wed Jan 30, 2013 6:06 pm Post subject: |
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I've seen the same wrist locks demonstrated in Jujitsu and Aikido books as I've seen found in Medieval Weapons manuscripts. The idea that there is nothing new under the sun is very true. What has changed over the years is specialization; Boxing with the hands, Judo with throws, TKD with kicking, BJJ with grappling, and the list goes on. Aside from the physical specialization of various styles, there are the philosophical specializations that have taken place, which create the differences between similar yet distinct styles like Hapkido and Aikido.
As far as some universal principles....it will probably take someone with a better mind than mine to pick them out.
As far as circular vs linear styles goes, I've noticed that no style is exclusively one or the other. Circles can work around straight lines, and straight lines are usually quicker than circles. So both are needed.
Changing levels I think could be a universal principle. Even in a limited target and weapon style like Boxing, high/low/high is important to keep an opponent off balance. Weapons fighting and self-defense is the same way. _________________ www.haysgym.com
http://www.sunyis.com/
www.aikidoofnorthwestkansas.com |
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Tempest
Green Belt
Joined: 31 Aug 2006
Posts: 424
Location: Dallas
Styles: Judo, HEMA
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Posted: Wed Jan 30, 2013 7:05 pm Post subject: |
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I think one universal principal that applies is that of the center.
For example, in almost all grappling styles the relationship between you opponents center and your own is fundamental to executing good technique, however this same principle also applies in striking where many schools are tought to imaginge a line or a pole running through the center of their own or their opponents body to use as either a source of power or a target respectively. _________________ Think first, act second, and stop getting the two confused. |
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chrissyp
Orange Belt
Joined: 16 Jan 2013
Posts: 175
Styles: Muay Thai/ Shotokan
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Posted: Thu Jan 31, 2013 8:37 am Post subject: |
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Things i've noticed are range. long range strikes, close in strikes. Also getting on the inside, and keeping your opponent and bay at distance, this also goes along with the concept of in and out.
With that said, that also leads the cat and mouse aspect, where one person is the aggressor, and the other reacts to be engaged.
Levels, not just in striking where you go hi/low, low/high ect, in wrestling it was also a basic principal. |
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MasterPain
Black Belt
Joined: 26 Oct 2010
Posts: 1949
Location: Parts Unknown
Styles: Bujin Bugei Jutsu, Backyard Kali, Satsui no Hadou
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Posted: Thu Jan 31, 2013 8:56 am Post subject: |
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complex torque. applies to almost all tuite and throws
push or pull= ok
push+pull=better
Push=pull+twist=great
sinking- a Tai Chi concept
Power comes from the ground up.
Kime- tension only at the end of the strike
Breathe! _________________ My fists bleed death. -Akuma |
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ShoriKid
Pre-Black Belt
Joined: 14 Dec 2007
Posts: 900
Styles: Matsubyashi-Ryu, Okinawan Kempo, wrestling, bits of BJJ
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Posted: Thu Jan 31, 2013 9:04 am Post subject: |
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Posture control. Striking,.grappling, throwing it doesn't matter. You need to control the other person's posture to be successful. _________________ Kisshu fushin, Oni te hotoke kokoro. A demon's hand, a saint's heart. -- Osensei Shoshin Nagamine |
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lit-arate
Yellow Belt
Joined: 07 Jan 2011
Posts: 38
Styles: American Kenpo; Aikido; Taekwondo
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Posted: Fri Feb 01, 2013 1:40 pm Post subject: |
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I second Tempest. No center control = no balance, no power, no targets. _________________ You are bound to become a buddha if you practice.
If water drips long enough, even rocks wear through.
It is not true thick skulls cannot be pierced;
people just imagine their minds are hard.
~ Shih-wu |
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kensei
Orange Belt
Joined: 05 Oct 2012
Posts: 235
Location: Canada
Styles: Shotokan
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Posted: Sat Feb 02, 2013 9:49 am Post subject: |
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when I look at principles I turn to physics for inspiration and its not that difficult to find some things that will be instantly applicable to your training.
Now strategy thats a different animal all together!
Stand up close, Stand up far, Stand up medium range, Stand up grappling, ground grappling. These different ranges all have multiple strategies that can be used or "Game" as my BJJ coach calls it. _________________ Even monkeys fall from trees |
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lowereastside
Orange Belt
Joined: 31 Jan 2013
Posts: 211
Styles: kung fu
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Posted: Mon Mar 11, 2013 9:44 pm Post subject: Universal Principles |
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My take on this subject is that - most know the Principles. I teach a Hakka system of Praying Mantis Kung Fu - The techniques are not that much different or similar to other Kung fu Styles and even some karate styles. Years ago I found a quote by another Martial Artist that goes like this - " The dance is not in the steps/movements but in...........THE BODY ". |
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Kuma
Black Belt
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Posted: Mon Mar 11, 2013 10:55 pm Post subject: |
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Posture. Breathing. Efficiency. Balance. Footwork. Leverage. Utilization of the body as a whole unit. Deflection (e.g. not meeting force on force if you can help it). Focus. There's loads I can think of. |
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