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YODA
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PostPosted: Tue Mar 19, 2002 1:08 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

We all know that the human body can take a great deal of abuse & punishment. And agian can be so fragile at times.

Constant bruising to soft tissue shouldn't cause long term health effercts but I want everyone to be aware of the danger of bruising to bones. In particular the bone's "skin" - the periosteum.

Muscle tissue is renewed a lot more often that bone tissue - the danger of bone cancer is real. There are more deaths in Thailand per year due to shin to shin clashing in Muay Thai than they care to admit!

I lost a friend to shin cancer!



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[ This Message was edited by: YODA on 2002-03-19 14:09 ]
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spinninggumby
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PostPosted: Tue Mar 19, 2002 2:22 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I am deeply sorry for your loss Yoda, for what it is worth.

I agree though wholeheartedly. Often times training (whether they be traditional or modern methods) with the intent to bruise or harm the body in order to toughen it is not always the smartest thing to do. Not only do you have to think about the short-term effects which may already be unclear, but you have to think about what will happen when you get older and your body naturally does not respond to forceful or intense stimulus as well. This decrease will happen (more in some than others depending on genetics, health, diet, and training or practices I assume) no matter how strong or healthy you are or how much you train to reduce this natural deterioration.
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YODA
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PostPosted: Tue Mar 19, 2002 3:41 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

It's worth a lot SG - Thanks



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three60roundhouse
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PostPosted: Tue Mar 19, 2002 3:43 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Sorry, YODA.

This post belongs on a gymnastics forum somewhere. No offense to people who want to dedicate their lives to stunting their growth and having stress breaks and osteoperosis, but those people really should be more health-concious.
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PostPosted: Tue Mar 19, 2002 4:42 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

aswell i am also sorry to YODA,

three60roundhouse , you mention "stunting your growth",
well i have a clear message for that
"dont weight-lift when your are under 16"
i can stress it more than that
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shotochem
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PostPosted: Tue Mar 19, 2002 6:33 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I too am sorry for your loss.

I have been completely ignorant to the damage that bone to bone contact can cause. I have been told by many people that it is a good way to condition your forearms and shins to build up bone density. I guess it is just a myth among many others out there. I will try to minimize the unnessesary banging in the future. Thank you for sharing this important info.

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Angus
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PostPosted: Tue Mar 19, 2002 7:55 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Gees Yoda, that's no good... That's pretty tragic actually.

Speaking about pain, what about a constant stiffness/pain in the lower part of the back. I've had that for months now, as well as having arthritis in my left middle finger.

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SaiFightsMS
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PostPosted: Wed Mar 20, 2002 11:26 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Sorry Yoda. And thought provoking.

Angus are you beginning to learn more about the why's of moderate training?
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ZR440
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PostPosted: Wed Mar 20, 2002 11:54 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Angus: go see a chiropractor that studied Kenesiology. I had lower back stiffness/spasms for way too long and it was the result of vertabrae mis-alignment. Not anymore. The cost and time invested in correcting the problem is well worth it.
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