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PostPosted: Mon Apr 26, 2010 10:46 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I think that another part of being an honest uke is not only in receiving the technique, but also in presenting an honest attack for the nage to deal with. Making sure that the attack is one that is somewhat reasonable in design, and also delivered with intent and purpose.
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PostPosted: Tue Apr 27, 2010 6:39 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I agree here....getting some students to understand this concept is often difficult though.


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PostPosted: Tue Apr 27, 2010 8:33 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Great article.

bushido_man96 wrote:
I think that another part of being an honest uke is not only in receiving the technique, but also in presenting an honest attack for the nage to deal with. Making sure that the attack is one that is somewhat reasonable in design, and also delivered with intent and purpose.

Totally agree with this. I hate it when people throw a punch but don't even try to make it connect. In most cases I'll just leave it and not block and if they ask why, its because I didn't need to block.
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PostPosted: Tue Apr 27, 2010 1:07 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

bushido_man96 wrote:

I think that another part of being an honest uke is not only in receiving the technique, but also in presenting an honest attack for the nage to deal with.

I'm not familiar with the term nage, Brian. I only know tori and uke.

DWx wrote:

I hate it when people throw a punch but don't even try to make it connect. In most cases I'll just leave it and not block and if they ask why, its because I didn't need to block.

When this has occurred with me, Danielle, I've actually taken the puncher's fist and bumped it against my own face. Then I've said that it has to be realistic, and that I'll block. I know what's coming and that it's at a moderate speed, so . . .
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PostPosted: Tue Apr 27, 2010 11:12 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Sorry, Joe. Tori is probably more appropriate.

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bushido_man96 wrote:
I think that another part of being an honest uke is not only in receiving the technique, but also in presenting an honest attack for the nage to deal with. Making sure that the attack is one that is somewhat reasonable in design, and also delivered with intent and purpose.

Totally agree with this. I hate it when people throw a punch but don't even try to make it connect. In most cases I'll just leave it and not block and if they ask why, its because I didn't need to block.


The other end I experience on this, mainly with one-steps, is when the defender will yell and then move right away...if I see this going on, I'll delay my attack, so that they aren't getting so anticipatory.

The other thing I see happening is when the attacker punches to where they know the defender is going to move to. Both are not good deals.
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PostPosted: Wed Apr 28, 2010 4:59 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

bushido_man96 wrote:

The other end I experience on this, mainly with one-steps, is when the defender will yell and then move right away...if I see this going on, I'll delay my attack, so that they aren't getting so anticipatory.

Luckily we don't actually have predefined one-steps and unless specified the attack can be anything. Unless the defender is wanting to dodge first, they can't anticipate what they're going to do. But yeah moving before the attack is even initiated is also a waste of time.
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PostPosted: Sun Jun 06, 2010 10:10 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Being a good uke in my opinion and method of teaching is this. Allow the one applying the technique to follow through with no resistance., EVER! while practicing or learning the move. 20 minutes at the in of EVERY class is set aside for live training where the goal is to catch the move of the day, or any they know, on a resisting opponent. There are many components that are missing in most training regimens and without these thing one simply cannot be affective when going "live". Resisting during the muscle memory development part of the drill or while your instructor is teaching is not the time. I shouldn't have to put my student through pain and risk injury because they hard headed.
At the same time if you are practicing a choke and the person applying it is not choking you without you resisting then you should let them know i'm not feeling it. But to practice an armbar to the point that you FORCE your team mate to tapout every time, then you are shorting your or his longevity in ma. This brings on arthritis and tendonitis.

The point of drilling is muscle memory. Resistance is for live training. demonstration is for DEMONSTRATING lol
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PostPosted: Sun Jun 06, 2010 10:25 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

JiuJitsuNation wrote:
Being a good uke in my opinion and method of teaching is this. Allow the one applying the technique to follow through with no resistance., EVER! while practicing or learning the move. 20 minutes at the in of EVERY class is set aside for live training where the goal is to catch the move of the day, or any they know, on a resisting opponent. There are many components that are missing in most training regimens and without these thing one simply cannot be affective when going "live". Resisting during the muscle memory development part of the drill or while your instructor is teaching is not the time. I shouldn't have to put my student through pain and risk injury because they hard headed.
At the same time if you are practicing a choke and the person applying it is not choking you without you resisting then you should let them know i'm not feeling it. But to practice an armbar to the point that you FORCE your team mate to tapout every time, then you are shorting your or his longevity in ma. This brings on arthritis and tendonitis.

The point of drilling is muscle memory. Resistance is for live training. demonstration is for DEMONSTRATING lol

Another very solid post!!!!!!!!


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PostPosted: Sun Jun 06, 2010 10:32 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

JiuJitsuNation wrote:

[T]o practice an armbar to the point that you FORCE your team mate to tapout every time, then you are shorting your or his longevity in ma. This brings on arthritis and tendonitis.

When my Soo Bahk Do teacher had us perform joint locks, she was interested in uke feeling the pressure and tapping, not necessarily the pain. She even brought out that registering pain takes a bit of a second, a "lag time," meaning that tori is still exerting pressure during uke's brain registering and hand-tapping phase. Sure, there are differences between people in terms of natural bending and even pain tolerance, but wrenching uke's wrist, elbow, etc. is just a lack of control.
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PostPosted: Sun Jun 06, 2010 10:54 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

josteph what you say may be so. But it doesn't negate the long terms effects on your joints. I ask my students not to make each other tap during the muscle memory drills. Now during live training they can all they wish and do. But in live training you may get arm barred with force 5 or 6 times that day. but if you had to tap every single time your partner drilled, you may have had that joint manipulated another 50 times! Which speeds you on your way to joint pain as you get older. I am simply trying to teach them how to stay on the mats longer with less joint pain.
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