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Zaine
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PostPosted: Fri Jul 28, 2023 6:45 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

While I didn't learn to use hips in Matsumura Seito perse, I took this kata from Shobayashi. The Matsumura Seito version of Chinto is performed on a vertical axis, as opposed to a diagonal one. The versions of Chinto that I have seen from Matsumura Seito use a lot less hip movement.
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PostPosted: Fri Jul 28, 2023 2:36 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Zaine wrote:
The versions of Chinto that I have seen from Matsumura Seito use a lot less hip movement.


EXACTLY!
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PostPosted: Sun Jul 30, 2023 6:17 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I can see how that will work well for someone who is really fast. Explosiveness tends to be a genetic trait, though, and when one isn't really explosive, using the hips to help generate power is a good alternative.
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Zaine
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PostPosted: Mon Jul 31, 2023 9:51 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Matsumura Seito is a system that focuses on hitting pressure points, and as such is a system that focuses on fast, hard strikes with the back as a way of generating power.
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PostPosted: Mon Jul 31, 2023 9:14 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

How do you do it with your back?
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Zaine
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PostPosted: Tue Aug 01, 2023 5:50 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

It is mostly just a little swaying with your torso. There's a large focus on hikite, as well; that pulling motion into your chamber to generate power.
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PostPosted: Mon Sep 11, 2023 1:51 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

bushido_man96 wrote:
I can see how that will work well for someone who is really fast. Explosiveness tends to be a genetic trait, though, and when one isn't really explosive, using the hips to help generate power is a good alternative.


repetition repetition repetition Grasshopper.
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