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thaiboxerken
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Location: Portland, Oregon
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Well, after the whole flying incidents are done and over with, I could do it. I only charge $1000 a day plus expenses, plus you'd have to give me a few months notice, as I have a regular job also. Keep on training, and train hard!
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thaiboxerken
Black Belt
Joined: 21 Jun 2001
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Location: Portland, Oregon
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| Posted: Fri Sep 14, 2001 11:32 am Post subject: |
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"Say this influenced that, is just a "chicken egg" argument, based on opinions."
Not based on opinions... based on observations within the last 20 or so years. If you notice, the Muay Thai style of fighting wasn't all that popular, the karate guys still did front kicks and the snappy round kicks. San Shou people were doing mostly side-kicks. Enter the popularity of Muay Thai, the dominance of Muay Thai in the ring vs other arts. After a few years, the othe arts systems start to change, they are checking low kicks with their shins now, just like Thaifighters, and they are throwing Thai-style kicks.
You say it's based on opinion, but after seeing the evolution of martial arts, I say it's fact.
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Iron Arahat
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Joined: 08 Aug 2001
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Location: Canada
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| Posted: Fri Sep 14, 2001 2:17 pm Post subject: |
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$1000 a day plus expenses....hello commercialism. Go train in Thailand for less...
"...the dominance of Muay Thai in the Ring..."
"...San Shou people were doing mostly side-kicks..."  I'm pretty confident you have never seen a San Shou bout Ken, and are basing things on a North American experience. Yes, Muay Thai has gained popularity in NA in the past decade, and yes in NA there are people have been influenced by Thai boxing. The above statement leads me to believe that you have never seen a San Shou fight...and taking opinions from other posts.
However, in Asia most arts were influenced by the Chinese. Also contrary to popular belief Chinese systems are typically "complete" involving all ranges from standing to the ground, and weapons training. Many systems are just small segment of chinese arts.
So as I said it's a "chicken-egg" argument. Based on opinion...not "Ken facts".
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thaiboxerken
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Location: Portland, Oregon
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| Posted: Fri Sep 14, 2001 4:07 pm Post subject: |
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Opinions based on observation. There you go, how's that? I feel that it's a very accurate assessment of how the world of martial arts is. I've seen San Shou being practiced performed at a Shaolin temple on the discovery channel...... it looked very silly to me, but maybe that wasn't a real Shaolin temple or they weren't really fighing San Shou rules. You believe what you will.
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Iron Arahat
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| Posted: Fri Sep 14, 2001 4:56 pm Post subject: |
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Opinions based on observation is more accurate...
Watching the discovery channel, hardly gives you a base of what San Shou is or isn't for that matter.
"Other systems that have adapted Muay Thai technique are Shotokan, Seidokaikan and San Shou, just to name a few." --an assessment from observations on the discovery channel?
As I said before North Americans typically have a poor understanding of Chinese martial arts... |
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thaiboxerken
Black Belt
Joined: 21 Jun 2001
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Location: Portland, Oregon
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| Posted: Fri Sep 14, 2001 7:42 pm Post subject: |
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Yep, they must've filmed a fake China, a fake Shoalin and a fake San Shou tournament. I guess it's all because the Discovery producers have no idea what San Shou is, where China is or what a real Shoalin temple is like. Yep, I guess I should quit watching the Discovery channel. I bet they intervied a fake Cung Le too, that really wasn't him that they followed during his training.
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Iron Arahat
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Location: Canada
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| Posted: Fri Sep 14, 2001 7:58 pm Post subject: |
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Who said anything about fake...your funny Ken...
I suppose if you saw a documentary on Bill Gates you could run Microsoft too...just like you could work for the poilce by watching COPS...point being watching a show hardly makes you an expert.
I see now it wasn't a San Shou tournament at the Shaolin Temple...it was Chung Le...
[ This Message was edited by: Iron Arahat on 2001-09-14 22:01 ] |
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Karateka
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Joined: 22 Jun 2001
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Location: North Vancouver, Canada
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| Posted: Fri Sep 14, 2001 9:41 pm Post subject: |
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Kyokushinkai has been along almost as long as the other four main styles of Karate. It is a good style to train with.
Angus: I guess you should have researched your Karate styles before choosing. I had a feeling that when you chose Goju ryu you would quit. They have lots of kata. Not as much as ****o Ryu. If you want real just basic fighting, take jujitsu. Now that is an art. It is cool. Give it a try.
Thaiboxerken: Don't call people ignorant because they believe in tradition. It works for them, just the same as your thinking works for you.
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Angus
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Joined: 21 Jun 2001
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Location: Australia
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| Posted: Sat Sep 15, 2001 11:56 am Post subject: |
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Yeah, Goju was bad for me... I'm starting Muay Thai now thought cos i'm sick of all the uniforms and stuff. I hate having to buy and wear them, they suck.
IRON ARAHAT - i don't think Ken was saying he was an expert, i'm pretty darn sure that he was expressing OPINION based on OBSERVATION from a documentary he saw on the DISCOVERY CHANNEL based on the san shou fighter CUNG LE. Granted the discovery channel isn't the most reliable fo sources but if if they were following the life of someone like Cung then there might have been some pretty good observations to be had from the documentary.
On another note, i think tradition is fine as long as one keeps an open mind and realises that something that is new can be just as or more effective as the traditional way. During the workouts at Goju we were actually doing stuff that would give us long term physical injuries. For example, we were banging each other's arms together causing deliberate haematonins (spelling?) on our arms. These can stuff ur arms up something fierce and when i said that this was not such a good thing to do the guy got up me and said that they had been doing this for decades or something to that effect...
Plus all the different japanese terminology, i didn't need to know it, i didn't want to know it, it was useless to me and a waste of time.
Angus  
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Iron Arahat
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Maybe "expert" is too much, but I was trying to illustrate that a show or brief involvement makes it ridiculous to make statements like "San Shou people were doing mostly side kicks" and then say Muay Thai changed that.
I have been in martial arts actively for over 16 years, I have competed in San Shou and Muay Thai events (even though I am not a Thai boxer)... comments like "dominance", and so forth have nothing to do with the issue at hand. I didn't even bring San Shou onto the table, I stated the style appeared to be influenced by kempo and judo...and the site made no mention of muay thai as suggested by an earlier post; however, I know Ken likes to argue.
Ken Stated:"I guess it's a nationalistic pride thing that keeps these other systems from admitting the Thai influence of their martial art systems"
Seem to be Ken's agenda for everything...that Thai is the best and everyone copies it...
Trust me and read my earlier posts I have a good understanding of Thai Boxing, and I know what has to be done to beat the style in the ring...and it's not emulating their techniques...
Good luck in your search SubmissionFighter |
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