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Johnlogic121
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Styles: Montgomery Style Karate, Ninjutsu, Isshinryu, Judo, Mang Chaun Kung Fu, Kempo
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 Posted: Wed Feb 27, 2008 11:20 pm Post subject: Self-Defense against Rape |
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I'm curious as to the forums feelings regarding Self-defense against rape. I think the "Internal" area is the best place to pose my question because I'm asking for a philosophical point of view. In your opinion, is the victim of a sexual assault justified in using lethal force to try to stop the commission of the crime? Some people feel that rape attempts require maximum power of technique and physical force, while others believe that you should only use 10% more force than your attacker is using and let that person escalate. Please if someone could speak to the legalities of these types of scenarios I think that would greatly enhance the discussion. I believe this is an area that should be brought up periodically so that people can decide ahead of time how violently they would fight to repel an attack. If you murdered a potential rapist, wouldn't that in itself be traumatizing for the average person? I thank everybody in advance for their opinion. Take care and good luck out there.
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bushido_man96
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| Posted: Wed Feb 27, 2008 11:37 pm Post subject: |
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I think that if someone is being raped, then they have the right to defend in any way necessary, and I believe that in most states it the use of deadly force is applicable in rape cases.
I think that if one is threatened with rape, then it is necessary to defend from such an assault in any way necessary.
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ying&yang
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| Posted: Thu Feb 28, 2008 12:14 am Post subject: |
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Yes i agree 100% , if raped or being raped you should apply as much damage to the rapist as possible.
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Kieran-Lilith
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To my knowledge, rape qualifies the same as "deadly force", like a gun or a knife. Therefore, if someone is raping you, you have the right to kill them, and quite frankly, I'm glad.
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glockmeister
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| Posted: Thu Mar 27, 2008 8:51 am Post subject: Re: Self-Defense against Rape |
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| Johnlogic121 wrote: |
| Some people feel that rape attempts require maximum power of technique and physical force, while others believe that you should only use 10% more force than your attacker is using and let that person escalate. |
I think it would be quite difficult for a person being victimized by a rapist to try and figure out in her head where that 10% lies.
As far as I know. Rape constitutes the use of deadly force.
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Senseimurphy
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| Posted: Fri Apr 25, 2008 6:31 pm Post subject: |
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| I would guess that in most cases the rapist has no reguard for the life of the victom, so why should the victom care about the rapist? |
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bushido_man96
KF Sensei
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tallgeese
Black Belt
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Location: McHenry County, IL
Styles: Brazilian Jiu Jitsu, Bujin Bugei Jutsu, Gokei Ryu Kempo Jutsu, MMA, Shootfighting, boxing, kickboxing, JKD, Pekiti Tersia Kali
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| Posted: Sat May 17, 2008 9:00 am Post subject: |
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| We go to the "force likely to cause death or great bodily harm" here. Sexual assult can indeed be the cause of great bodily harm. Therefore, deadly force is in play. |
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Tiger1962
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| Posted: Thu Sep 04, 2008 11:00 am Post subject: Re: Self-Defense against Rape |
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| Johnlogic121 wrote: |
| I'm curious as to the forums feelings regarding Self-defense against rape. I think the "Internal" area is the best place to pose my question because I'm asking for a philosophical point of view. In your opinion, is the victim of a sexual assault justified in using lethal force to try to stop the commission of the crime? Some people feel that rape attempts require maximum power of technique and physical force, while others believe that you should only use 10% more force than your attacker is using and let that person escalate. Please if someone could speak to the legalities of these types of scenarios I think that would greatly enhance the discussion. I believe this is an area that should be brought up periodically so that people can decide ahead of time how violently they would fight to repel an attack. If you murdered a potential rapist, wouldn't that in itself be traumatizing for the average person? I thank everybody in advance for their opinion. Take care and good luck out there. |
Yes, it would certainly be traumatizing to murder in self defense, but if the alternative is the victim dying, (and if I was the victim), I'd rather sign up for therapy sessions to get over it rather than succumb and only "hope" that the attacker lets me live after the rape attack.
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tori
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If I was being sexually assaulted by someone ( I pray that it never happens), I would do everything possible to get away from the situation. Im fighting for my life here. If it means that in the process of my self defense he dies, then so be it. Just the thought of something like this happening makes my stomach ache. It is why I train so hard, so I can save my life someday.
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