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embm
Yellow Belt
Joined: 23 Mar 2004
Posts: 57
Location: St. Louis, MO
Styles: Mixed Martial Arts Chung Do Kwan TKD
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 Posted: Thu Jun 17, 2004 10:15 am Post subject: |
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Since we normally have at least two instructors for every class, it is not a problem. Plus, this is the kind of attention most kids don't want to have repeated.
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Spielwurfel
Yellow Belt
Joined: 12 Jul 2004
Posts: 37
Location: Brazil
Styles: Karate
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| Posted: Wed Jul 14, 2004 7:25 pm Post subject: |
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This guy was very coragous!!  HEHUAHUAHUEHAUHUEUAHUEA!!!
I would never try to apply any kind of technique or choke or anything else in my sensei... I'm sure I would receive a punch or a kick that would hurt a lot... I already received a kick in my head from my sensei, and it hurted a lot (the reason is not important now...), and i could see that he dind't used too much strenght, so, in a "real" combat like that situation, I would go to the hospital... 
But... Being coragous can be a very stupid thing...
I would suspend that guy to make him reflect about what he have done... What he made was very stupid; Try to apply a choke on a master, much more strong and with much more ability and experience...:S |
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lyrikalgeenus
White Belt
Joined: 14 Jul 2004
Posts: 11
Location: Wilkes-Barre P.A
Styles: Den Toh No Shin Ka
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| Posted: Thu Jul 15, 2004 10:18 pm Post subject: |
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| I dont see how a suspension would do anything..if he's trying to impress sombody or seem tough I would just put him in his place...a hard sidekick (not destructive) would teach the student that if your wiling to hurt be willing to be hurt back...thats how I was taught |
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June1
Black Belt
Joined: 06 Nov 2004
Posts: 1090
Location: Canada
Styles: Shotokan Karate
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| Posted: Thu Dec 09, 2004 10:26 pm Post subject: |
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Wouldn't it just be simpler if you just tell the student to stop his/her behaviour immediately, for if he doesn't, he will not be able to attend class for some time or face suspension?
However, if the student is crazy and is coming at you full speed or whatnot, then I think some force should be used--just enough to disable him.
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Trappersan
White Belt
Joined: 09 Dec 2004
Posts: 6
Styles: Tang Soo Do, Tae Kwan Do, Kendo, Jiu-Jitsu
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| I have been teaching for many years and have ran into this many times. when I demo something I expect that the student will come at me as hard as they can, so that I do not get cought off gaurd like this. Have I gotten cought YES and we all have. How to deal with it is the question. I never demo somthing that I can not get out of period. i use the approperiat amount of force needed to get out of it. when something like this happens I like to use it as a teaching experiance. normaly it is Obvious what the students intention was to the rest of the class. Now they know that is works. After the class you need to explain why that this should not happen. Then they are probation. They will only work with person of higher rank who will be informed of the situation or I like to work with them personally. The lesson will continue until I fell they have learned. Another approach it to do privet lessons with them. Then let them set the pace of the class. I have done this many times there has not been more then one or two lessons before they learn my ability and the dangers of unnecessary hostility. Another approach it to do privet lessons with them. Then let them set the pace of the class. I have done this many times there has not been more then one or two lessons before they learn my ability and the dangers of unnecessary hostility. We as instructors are just that. We must educate them. We are part friend, part counselor, and part teacher. Find out why they behave the way they do. Once this has been done the behavior is not normally difficult to change. Many students come to us to learn martial arts but it is up to us to also find out what they need on top of the physical curriculum. They pick martial arts over other avenue of help for a reason. What is it? |
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June1
Black Belt
Joined: 06 Nov 2004
Posts: 1090
Location: Canada
Styles: Shotokan Karate
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| Posted: Sat Dec 11, 2004 3:24 pm Post subject: |
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Well said! 
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White Warlock
Black Belt
Joined: 14 Feb 2004
Posts: 2662
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| Posted: Sun Dec 12, 2004 6:08 am Post subject: |
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Agreed, well said Trappersan, and welcome.
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Shane
Purple Belt
Joined: 21 Sep 2004
Posts: 576
Location: WA
Styles: Combative Arts
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| Posted: Thu Dec 16, 2004 7:06 pm Post subject: |
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There is no need for students like that. Its one thing if thats what the Instructor had wanted him to do but during a demo where he is teaching and this guy does something like that, its just un called for.
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kotegashiNeo
Blue Belt
Joined: 23 Dec 2003
Posts: 342
Location: Barrie Ontario Canada
Styles: goju/ Aikido
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| Posted: Sat Dec 18, 2004 10:27 pm Post subject: |
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With martial trainning it is important that type of ego is replaced with strong spirit otherwise you will train someone who may misuse your teachings. It sounds like the person in question needs to be trained very hard to temper his agression with humilty
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Kilo-11
White Belt
Joined: 11 Sep 2004
Posts: 13
Location: Colorado Springs, CO
Styles: Keichu-Do (Karate / Jiu-Jutsu) Prior: NSI (Modern Arnis, TKD, Judo) Takeshin Aiki-Ju-Jutsu, Fencing, Kendo, Shotokan Karate, Jiu-Jutsu, Aikido, TKD
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| I have had this a few times while teaching class. Usually once you establish your prowess, this happens less often. I say to apply the technique as far as safely possible; I.E. don't break their arm, but put a very tight and painful armbar on them, if that is the techniques resulting finish. This usually curbs that behavior quickly. I recommend talking with that student afterward though and emphasize very firmly that that kind of behavior is not acceptable and will not be tolerated. |
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